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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    I would not be surprised if nuclear fusion was suggested soon....



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    You really are as transparent as glass when it comes to your cul de sac attempts to distract from Irish green ideological nonsense.

    How many times do you need to be told that when it comes fulfilling our E.U. obligations and providing us with a secure energy source I am talking about the state building its own. Something that could be achieved with less than 0.4% of our infrastructure budget for this decade.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    We could have the LNG up and running in 2 years, we could have Barryroe supplying too. Instead we have the greens actively blocking these proven and reliable options to alleviate our energy pinch.

    They don't offer any reliable alternatives only bluff and bluster about what could potentially be used with no solid plans let alone a timetable for these alternatives.

    Spoofers



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Incorrect

    LNG at best will be 2027, as no planning yet no chance that will happen

    Ballyroe is 2026 and again no exploration license yet so very little chance of that. Plus even if they get license the drilling company has now pulled out so 2026 is very questionable

    Please don’t call anyone a spoofer when you clearly have not researched. All available on the web



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Again, has the company been provided with a planning license? If not this was discussed exhaustively so why bring it back up?

    At this stage Ireland will never have a LNG plant and rightly so.

    60 wind turbines in Dublin bay for instance could be up and running in 2026/27.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Already covered. Of course the consensus was we should have nuclear, I did point out the amount of rejection to a solar panel field in Meath, imagine the amount of rejections if it was a nuclear plant

    I wonder how many people would agree with nuclear if the terms included it was going to be built within 5 miles of their house. I doubt many people would be happy



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Edit



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    What’s this about boroken?

    I’ve had posts removed in the past on this thread……….



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    The company behind the LNG terminal project sees a gap in the market and a demand for its product or services, otherwise they would not be persisting. Clearly one of those gaps is the anticipated decline in output post 2025 from the existing fields with no line of sight to new replacement gas projects coming on-line. At the same time Britain and continental European countries have been pursuing the same electricity generation strategy which is incorporating much more random generation on the grid. As a consequence of that there is a greater demand for more gas, which is the reason the energy crisis in Europe started.

    1. An extended cold Spring in 2021 meant greater consumption of gas.
    2. An extended lull in wind speed in 2021 meant greater consumption of gas to generate electricity.
    3. A loss of gas storage facilities meant less space to store gas.
    4. Lack of long term planning meant a rush into the market in Autumn 2021 and prices sky-rocketed.
    5. Under-capitalised providers did not have the funds and went bust further reducing supply.
    6. All this happened before the war started in February 2022.

    Clearly the war in Ukraine will go on for a few years, and disruption to gas and oil supplies from Russia is already happening. This means greater demand for gas from suppliers that are NOT Russia. This means that we will also have to compete for those supplies and in adverse Winter conditions extended over 2 months (e.g. Winter 1962/63) we face the possibility that the Moffat line will be curtailed to serve the British market.

    Pumped storage and battery energy storage systems are really buy low and sell high plays, they don't add new capacity to the grid, in fact they consume more energy than they produce. They can only charge if electricity is cheap and available which happens to be at night, when we get a Dunkelflaute which can last for 2 weeks the economics of running them changes and neither source is capable of supplying electricity beyond short intervals when demand exceeds available supply.

    Moneypoint can maintain 3 months of storage (mostly Russian coal, Columbia is the other source.), most gas plants only have few days supply, there is not much in the way of gas storage on this island as it stands today, after that the next option is diesel which can keep us going for some days more. The issue is continuity of supply and random generation is insufficient to meet this requirement, all it does is defer when the gas, coal or diesel needs to be burned to meet consumer demand.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    No planning because the government has not applied for planning for a LNG terminal. A terminal that could be built in 2 years and be hydrogen ready as well.

    Barryroe is not seeking an exploration licence. You must have missed those have been banned by green muppet legislation. They are waiting on Ryan to stop his fiddling while Rom burns and grant a lease, so stop your own spoofing on an LNG terminal and Ballyroe.

    I would have through your credibility being blown yesterday might have made you cop yourself on, but obviously not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    A genuine victim of global warming!!! 😆



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Ballyroe has not been granted a licence because Ryan has been sitting on his hands doing sweet F A while waffling on about air quality for a country that has among the best air quality in the world.

    No LNG, so how do you propose to satisfy the regulators concern on energy supply security as well as fulfilling our E.U obligations, or do you believe we should just ignore the E.U when it comes to obligations.?

    60 windmills in Dublin bay would be doing the same as 60 sitting on the shore when there is no wind. Sitting there depending on by then on none existing gas supply due to the muppets to fill the gap.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    You think nuclear fusion should be included in the GP energy policy ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Please provide a link to the company who are building Kerry KNG saying they will have it built in 2 years? thank you



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Never said that, just said it was discussed in the thread.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Not only incorrect but complete and utter hogwash

    It is 'spoofing' when what is being claimed is clearly wrong and has repeatedly shown to be same

    LNG at best will be 2027, as no planning yet no chance that will happen

    Wrong. The Shannon LNG facility can be up and running in approx 1-2 years once planning permission goes ahead as already detailed in published timelines

    Ballyroe is 2026 and again no exploration license yet so very little chance of that. Plus even if they get license the drilling company has now pulled out so 2026 is very questionable

    Again wrong. The Ballyroe gas field has a published timeline of between 1-2 years. But more importantly Ballroe has already been awarded its Exploration Licence and is now moving to the penultimate phase prior to extraction. The only thing holding this project up is Mr Ryans apparent stonewalling of the companies communications to date.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    The company that is looking for the license for Barryroe disagrees with you and confirms 2026. Are you saying the company is lying and you are correct?

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/companies/arid-40800870.html

    If you can provide something on Kerry LNG saying 1-2 years please.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    What are you twittering on about now.

    What is Kerry KNG and where has it anything to do with what I just said to you ?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    A no for what, some other distraction you are attempting to throw in the mix called Kerry KNG. ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    That country we were being told was the one to learn from by Irish greens, Germany, is not pissing around like our minister Ryan. Looking to have their first LNG up and running in 2024, and in the meantime they have signed options with Germany energy company RWE for three floating LNG terminals and are looking to add a fourth which could be in operation as early as this Winter.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    The Greens and their fellow travellers must be challenged to transform a town (pop ~10,000) in this country to be 100% fully off grid. Off grid electricity generation via solar and wind, all electric vehicles, no external power, off grid water, off grid sewerage and off grid rubbish disposal. Completely self contained.

    They must comply 100% with their "renewable" and "sustainable" criteria. Make them implement it and have it running with plenty of publicity. Let’s see how it goes. Talk is cheap, they need to show us how it’s done.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    More ducking and diving? Nope, it's certainly not the company which is "lying". Isnt that the same company against whom you've made repeated unsubstantiated allegations of being "dodgy"?

    Anyway you said

    Ballyroe is 2026 and again no exploration license yet so very little chance of that.

    I said

    Again wrong. The Ballyroe gas field has a published timeline of between 1-2 years. But more importantly Ballroe has already been awarded its Exploration Licence and is now moving to the penultimate phase prior to extraction. The only thing holding this project up is Mr Ryans apparent stonewalling of the companies communications to date.

    You referred to Ballyroe and an "exploration licence" and gave a date of 2026

    I corrected that they're already in procession of an exploration licence and are moving to the next phase of final appraisal (with an published timeline of 1-2 years) which is the date given for that phase ie 2023 and not 2026 as you stated. 2026 is the expected Extraction date following the current phase.

    Shannon LNG

    Seriously do you forget every single thing under discussion here?

    You say

    LNG at best will be 2027, as no planning yet no chance that will happen

    That piece of ground has been well gone over at this stage

    The timeline for completion of the Shannon LNG terminal as detailed by the company in May 2021 undertaking the Shannon LNG projec was that the "liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminal on the Shannon would be “online by the second half of next year”.

    So again I'll quote the relevant piece again

    May 2 2021

    New Fortress Energy (NFE), a US-listed energy group, expects its €500m liquefied natural gas (LNG) terminal on the Shannon to be “online by the second half of next year”.

    So from "May 2021" to "second half of next year" gives a timeline of between 1 - 2 years before gas is flowing.

    Unfortunately the original date of completion was delayed by various green objectors. A new planning application is in the pipeline.

    So once planning permission is granted pending the forthcoming application - we should see Shannon LNG up and running 2023 -2024.

    Good job too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Phil.x




  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    We will need fossil fuels as backup for years, everyone agrees with this. However, the path to independence from fossil fuels are 3 things

    1. Inter-connectors - big interconnected grid that provides resiliance and allow the creation of a single market for electricity across the continent of Europe
    2. Diverse power sources (wind, solar, biomass, hydro, nuclear, geothermal etc)
    3. Storage - Either in Batteries, or in another storage medium like Ammonia. First using storage to provide grid services like load balancing and frequency regulation. This can be done right now with a relatively small amounts of investment, and will immediately reduce our reliance on fossil fuels for peaker and grid services - And every new battery installation we bring in further reduces our reliance on fossil fuels - Grid storage solutions are completely modular, things like Iron Flow Redux batteries can be deployed where they are needed, to provide the storage where it is needed and the capacity can be increased by adding more cells. And the best part about storage is that it can be distributed so that the grid can have storage, but so can industrial plants store electricity on site to reduce their energy costs and provide security of supply.




  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Proven and reliable..

    Proven to be causing Climate change

    And relying on fossil fuels is exactly why we're in an energy crisis right now.

    We have proven and reliable technologies that don't produce anywhere near as many climate changing emissions during their lifetime, and help us solve one of the biggest crisis humanity have faced in centuries.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    You're so close to actually figuring this out.

    Storage absolutely is about buying low and selling high. That's the beauty of it, and that's why it's the technology that's growing exponentially and will be massively transformative in the coming years unless the fossil fuel industry manage to block it (like they have blocked so many technologies down through the years through political corruption)

    The Energy regulator in ireland (CRU) was the darling of the anti renewables crowd here when she said we needed a LNG terminal. But she is head of the same body that allows the Energy companies in Ireland to have such consumer unfriendly tariffs and such opaque pricing structures.

    I'm not accusing her of anything illegal or immoral, but I think she has not been forward thinking enough to realise that we need to leapfrog the current technologies and to do this, there have to be the regulations and legal frameworks to reward innovation and to allow companies to sell excess power back into the grid at an attractive rate even if that undercuts existing grid services suppliers that rely on fossil fuels

    There definitely has been an element of regulatory capture in here too. Its not her fault, it needs to be legislated that her role is to lead the transition to a 21st century carbon neutral grid by whatever means that takes



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