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30 year old arts graduate struggling to get by

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  • Posts: 0 Hailey Angry Vent



    Therein lies a very unhealthy commonly found attitude.

    Renting is not stigmatized. Any pressure to own a home comes from yourself so you should get this out of your head. If it's getting to you so much maybe you should evaluate the peer group you mix in or I'm guessing it could come from family (my mother is the same).

    I will say though that the problem with renting in Ireland is the shambolic lack of security when compared with our European counterparts. If long term agreements where there I would rent forever. The sensible approach is to buy in this environment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭Sebastian Dangerfield


    Look at irishfunds.ie and some of the funds consulting companies websites. The main recruiters like Morgan McKinley, Camden etc all have a lot of jobs on their book. If you wanted to, you could do the basic certificate courses offered by the Institute of Bankers which would help to bridge your lack of experience to date



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Have you spoken to many HGV drivers? Huge downward pressure on payment rates, increasing fuel prices, all kinds of anti-social hours/days/weeks.

    Be careful what you wish for. Think long term.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Really you are going to have to do the leg work yourself.

    No one is going to stick up an ad seeking a UCD arts grad, dissatisfied in current role, looking for a better career.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,153 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    I initially had quite a bit of sympathy for the OP. I have a terrible RADAR when it comes to trolling so assumed this was on the level. I will answer as if this is not a troll.

    As I said, I initially had sympathy for the OP. Someone who, like so many, works hard to try to buy a place.

    However, to simply assume that one would be a senior exec at a media company or NGO at 30 simply because they went to university and did a vague and non-appliable degree is quite stereotypical southside. While, who you know rather than what you know, may work in some fields, it won't wash with large corporations who really care about results and experience over what school you went to.

    Now thinking about "slumming it" with those of us without university degrees.

    This immature and entitled attitude is probably quite visible to all your co-workers. I assume many of your peers have been promoted before you and you also wonder why these people, possibly without the same qualifications as you, are prompted ahead of you? What is your typical work conversation with your team mates? Is it similar to this thread? If so, how do you think this is received by your colleagues? Heaven knows how this would be received by potential customers in previous positions.

    You also say that there is a stigma about renting. Everybody here has stated that this is not so. And they are right..... To a degree. There should be no stigma about renting and the only people who seem to look down upon renters are you and your peers. And THAT entitled/elitest attitude also needs to change.

    I still do not mean to offend but I find this "Oh well, I guess I'll have to become a truck driver so. I am SO much better than them" attitude offensive.


    Edit:Fixed typos. Damn autocorrect



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    If you are drifting from helpdesk job to helpdesk job, then you probably need to sit down and focus on starting a career in a particular field.

    A good example would be to choose an industry, for purposes of providing an example here, let's say finance. You use your degree to get into an "entry level job" in a financial organisation (a lot of people do this to get into a particular industry), once you are in, and have done e.g. 6 months or so (and not fucked it up), then you have a pick of a very wide range of more specialised jobs, let's say client service for a specialised area (income, funds, etc). Once you have done a stint there, you usually have a very good idea of where you want to really put your effort into, something like compliance, or risk management, or whatever. That is the point where you start earning proper money. Likewise you now have a "trade". So if you want to go to another country, you can go straight into a proper field without having to "start from the bottom"

    If you think you are 30 and "too old" to do this, you aren't. I've known several who have entered a brand new industry at age 30 to 40, and done exactly the above.

    "But I don't know anything about X (e.g. finance)" - Irrelevant. Certain specific vocations require a certain path, many don't. Having a degree is an entry card for many industries and fields.

    "The grass is greener in another country" - Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I've lived in a good few countries now. They all have their own issues.

    "I've sent out hundreds of CV's" - Jobs don't come to you, you go to them. Unfortunately, even in a job-rich economy, you still have to chase. Go to recruitment agencies, push, push.

    "I'm doing badly in interviews" - Interviews can be learnt. I've seen quivering wrecks with anxiety become excellent at interviews in the space of a week. A lot of great material out there. I can prep someone on the phone for an interview in maybe 20 mins. Once the basics are learnt it applies for any type of interview for any job, well worth the investment of a few hours.



  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭johnboy92


    I never said Im doing badly in interviews, I actually have a 100% record of gaining employment from every interview I have done



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Ah very good, I just added that for anyone else reading (not aimed at you specifically) as I've seen several posts quite similar in theme to this one before



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Also OP, they're crying out for social workers for adults. Friend of mine does it, starts at 38k (work while training too) and you can do your hours in 3 days a week and get shift allowance, he reckons he's on close to 50k with the shift allowance he gets for working the hours he wants. :D You're out and about, meeting people, he absolutely loves it. You'll need to get a fecking drivers licence though. Add it some manual labour cash in hand on one of the days off and you'll have your deposit saved in no time.

    He described it as like hanging out with your best mates, except they're autistic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    Luas or bus driver could be a good idea. Plumbers earn great money, but you would need several years training for that. The thing about buying is, what do you aspire to buy? Your parents dont have any land you can build on ?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭ewiz9


    Almost everything you need to know abt how springboard courses work is on that website. Becoming more proactive about your career helps.

    Buying a house from a single wage is not easy considering Dublin house prices. Having an employed partner really helps.



  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭johnboy92


    I aspire to buy literally anything within an hour of Dublin, bonus if it has 24 buses so I can still socialise in town. Id be very happy with a studio. Its purely to own a house



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Very doable. Quite a few people I know only bought their first house in their late thirties/forties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Yep


    Even though house prices are insane mortgages usually end up cheaper than renting and you dont end up an elderly retired person with insanely high rent bills. In 20/30 years this country is going to have a huge crisis of elderly homelessness because home ownership is now so difficult for people from 20s to 40s.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Yeah its much tougher than that. The social care sector has thousands of vacancies right now and part of the reason is because of staff leaving it due to stress and burnout.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭johnboy92


    My rut is not being a homeowner. Renters are viewed as lesser



  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭johnboy92


    My family all own, and yes it is something I want to have on social media that I bought a house



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    But what will your social media circles say when they see you're a truck driver and you bought a cowshed near Tinahely to live in.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Dear God... Owning a house is a good aspiration however there seems to be a distinct lack of maturity on your part. Between not being willing to retrain and you seeming to view home ownership as more of a status symbol.


    It's also worth remembering that you're in a great position in contrast to many. Nothing is tying you down, you don't have kids etc. I know people who requalified while raising a family on the breadline...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    This is a slippery slope once you start living your life based on other people's opinions of you then you'll never be happy.

    There will always be some way in which they will view you "as lesser" the car you drive, the clothes you wear, where you shop etc.



  • Posts: 0 Hailey Angry Vent


    Take a break from social media (Instagram) is my suggestion. It only shows the best side of everything.

    House influencers is the latest trend.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    Bit harsh on people who live in Tinahely! I live near there and it's a lovely part of the country to live in. Now I own my cowshed so that probably helps.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'll be sure to tell him he's burned out and a liar to boot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet





  • Canada and australia have even worse housing situation. Also people who earn the salaries you mention are stuck in a renting trap or still living with parents. Unfortunately the housing problems needs a long term solution but goverments only stay in power for short term



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I used to bike out there as a kid, a beautiful place, you'd have americans who would dream of living in a cottage in the hills near Tinahely or Shillelagh, plus you have the annual Tinahely show to look forward to. I mean winter is dour enough but so is the rest of Ireland.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    i can see why you need to buy on a single income anyways



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I bought on my own aged 29 and I was one of the last of my friend group to do so. They all got into serious relationships very young and bought between the ages of 21 and 25. This was in celtic tiger, some overpaid and stuck in an unsuitable house for years and years after the crash. I rented and saved all through my 20s, moved into a better job and then bought in the downturn for 60% of the cost it was pre crash. On my own, although GF lives here now. I have a smaller mortgage than them all and a nicer house than most.

    Moral.....all good things come to those who wait. At 28 I had neither a house nor a GF, at 30 I had both.

    Wasn't for social media, wasn't for keeping up with the Jones next door, was for me and when the time was right I struck.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Look at Springboard courses. Heavily, heavily subsidised and a way of getting into a tech or finance field.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    The majority of people these days need to make a choice as far as I can see. They can either go travel and see the world, which I'm sure is an invaluable experience or put the head down early and work towards getting yourself stable financially. I think most people need to accept they will be living in the family home into their 30's as they save and if you are trying to do this as a single person, good luck but it'll be much harder.

    Now this is all assuming you are not one of the lucky minority and have the education and connections to walk into a very high earning job of course. Its not like it was during the Tiger and as far as looking to Government to help you get on the property ladder, you're on your own, unless you are one of O'Gorman's chosen few.

    Funny how there are boardsies telling this young man to leave the country and then cheer as boat loads of people from abroad are brought over to be housed for free. Not a reference to the humanitarian Ukranian crisis but the baffling policy of pumping up our population numbers in a system that cannot deal with it.

    Times are strange on the island at the minute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    This isn't realistic in the slightest. A degree is a broad basic knowledge in a broad area.

    I think you've led a very sheltered life based on your expectations. Pick an area you think you might be good at thats hiring and work your way up.



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




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  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    because everybody should go see the world and broaden their horizons. Much like the people coming to Ireland do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭johnboy92


    Except that other countries don't have the home ownership culture that Ireland has, and without being on the ladder by 35 you can easily miss the boat and be stuck for life



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,785 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Top reasons:

    • Society/Government looking down on women who want to stay home and raise a family rather than having a creche do it for them. Result is higher incomes for couples leading to higher property prices, cutting most singles out of the chance of buying even a 1 bed apartment in Dublin.
    • All those social houses built/acquired reduce the stock available for workers to buy, making demand higher and prices too.

    You could do a 3 year course and be well on your way to a salary much higher than you are on now. You could even do a 1 year Level 6 and get yourself into a technicians role on pretty decent money. Twice your current earnings for a start.

    Correct. If you want to live in, or near Dublin, your current salary is sh!t and you need to change that. This is what everyone on here has said to some degree.

    I was thinking the same. Needs to be in a personal problems forum.

    Stay Free



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ah here, you need to get over your obsession with owning a house. Who cares what people think, or how many likes you get on social media.

    I actually do think this is a wind up now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭NSAman


    OR.... you can work abroad and save money like so many people did, get the deposit for a home and come home once you have spent your time working abroad?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    There is a massive problem in a large segment of society that looks down upon manual work...

    When I was doing my leaving cert...

    I was specifically told, trades were not a good option due to the impending recession and going straight into the workforce would be detrimental to my future...

    I had looked at a new factory that was opening and applied and was pretty berated for not being "ambitious enough"...

    So went to college, got a level 8 in business, and now working in the same factory that I was looking at during my Leaving Cert...

    Only difference is, over half of the people that started when the factory opened are still there earning a minimum of 42,000€ a year doing straight days...also with a serious pension and health insurance and an ok bonis structure...

    I fannied about earning 25,000€ a year in retail with my business degree...(I was able to earn more, doing cash in hand stuff on the side thankfully tho during that time)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Most private sector employers need people who do productive work that generates more product or sales or services. IT is behind a fair bit of the modern economy. Reads to me like you should look at the public service, keep an eye out on what openings there are there.

    But to afford a house? Quite possible if you can and are prepared to live outside of Dublin and other major towns/ cities.

    Was in much the same sort of situation 30 years ago, went rural and bought cheap. Self employed since. Has its ups and downs but hey, if you want to avoid a mortgage, way to go. Sure it'd be nice to live closer to family but to do so in the modern world requires either that you're on some public housing scheme that facilitates this or have a very well paid career.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,161 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    I did Arts in UCD and now work in IT having gone back and done another couple of years in college after graduating. I thoroughly regretted doing Arts and found at the time there was far too much advice given out about how it's a good general education and base level to go on to do something else etc. Yes you get the slagging about how useless a qualification it is from the general public but looking back now I found people within education were trying to counter that too much with their advice and there was not enough realism about what life will be like immediately after graduating. You're seventeen when you're filling out your CAO after all, you know absolutely nothing about the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Hmm.. this thread seems to be more about promoting some housing political agenda, than looking for useful advice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭johnboy92


    Its not any political agenda. Its the fact of living in Ireland, you cannot live a proper life in a community with roots, or even pets, without owning a home. The reason I am seeking advice is I need to own a home to move forward in life, or else leave for a country that renting is normal in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,265 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    as opposed to you, who got a relatively cheap/free third-level degree that has turned out to be more or less useless in your eyes...............yeah, people who get handouts are awful arent they?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,153 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    I also now suspect a troll. (I HOPE a troll): Pity the poor little rich kid who went to Uni and can't get a house cos of unmarried mother's and foreigners. Now they have to slum it. It's like a Pulp song. Lol.



  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭johnboy92


    I never said it was because of others. I'm not a rich kid, I come from a totally normal semi D in South West Dublin, bog standard. Im annoyed that its impossible to get a home or a job that pays enough to buy a home yet my Dad could do it at 25 on 1 income and Im desperate to find a way to do it. Im have no intrest in IT so its really disheartening that seems the only option. I get the idea of the civil service, but a civil servant on one income is not buying a house or apartment in Dublin



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You've rejected all advice given to you. You also seem to be oblivious to the fact that most people struggle to buy in Dublin but you've concluded you must live there.



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