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Wallace and Daly

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,728 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I'll support Assad if he'd agree to renounce ties with Russia and become pro-western, but in the absence of that it would make no strategic sense to support a man who will back Russia's project to end Western hegemony, no matter how good he is at running his country.

    See, you're trying to catch me out in some inconsistency of moral standard, here, but I've been clear in my previous post of favouring Western hegemony as the least worst option and that we should avoid in-fighting which would potentially degrade that.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Russia hadn't invaded a country back in 2019.... How Daly and Wallace are behaving is likely to be something the electorate won't forget at the polls.


    Also whataboutery about the US tends to fall down when we look more closely at the facts. The US have had troops who have committed war crimes but nothing on the scale of Russia. In modern history the US have not attempted mass genocide which appears to be very much so where Russia is going in Ukraine. They're using the language of genocide on a frequent basis and neither you or the likes of Daly seem to want to say a word about that.


    So plenty of us are opposed to US foreign policy and the likes of gitmo. Even plenty of aspects of their policies domestically. That doesn't justify sitting by while Putin engages in de Ukrainisation



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    If you can't post proof, don't go around slandering people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    You just caught yourself out. You tell me to put aside my issues with the US to focus on the "bigger issue of the moment" yet you won't put aside your issues with Assad to focus on the bigger issue of the moment.

    Is Erdogan a great lad now, because he's supporting Ukraine?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I don't think innocent civilians care about the manner of their deaths, whether they were war crimes or not. The phrase war crimes weirds me out. It's as if some civilian deaths are seen as grand.

    The US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan caused how many deaths?

    Anyways, US talk is going off topic.

    Back to Wallace and Daly, vast majority of people don't even see all these EU clips of them. Unless you're a twitter user liking certain pages you'll not have a clue.

    EU elections are only 2 years away. Won't feel it. I'd be fairly sure they'll get elected again. People think they won't get in again because you're in an echo chamber of people with similar views to you. Judging by Twitter, you'd have thought FG wouldn't have got 10 seats at the last election.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    No, they are goosed after this, I've had people who don't know what Twitter is go on about Wallace and Daly and how they were siding against Ukraine, democracy etc.


    They'll be run off the streets back to Moscow.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Their career after getting dropkicked out off their seats in Brussels will be interesting to observe.

    They'll be pretty radioactive in Ireland so god knows what they'll have to turn to for coin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,728 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I wasn't even thinking about Assad in particular before you strawmanned him in, and am perfectly happy to leave any issue with him aside or on the back burner while the Ukraine crisis is ongoing.

    A united and focused response from the west to help get the Ukraine mess sorted out quick is the thing to see here. Wallace and Daly and a gaggle of kooky contrarians can play their what about game. Thankfully, they are decidedly in the minority in this particular conversation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,888 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Depends on which debts you ask about. The ones he made a big song and dance over in the Dail was the taxes for the company where the employees nearly did not get stamps (or whatever its called) to get employee benefits and thar is what his meager 5% or there about a week would pay off



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    War crimes aren't limited to civilian deaths... They include things like rape which are pretty common in this invasion. Basically no military necessity and just causing suffering, not all victims die. And any reason you're ignoring the issue of genocide?

    Also nothing to do with Twitter. Do you think this won't get written about again when elections come up? Financing is also gonna be looked into I imagine. Then it will come up in all the debates. And the thing is, we'll know even more of the extent of Russia's crimes by then. Their base is gonna collapse outside of Gemma O'Doherty types.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Stanley 1


    Most banks back then got the principals of the company to sign personal Letters of Guarantee which got around the issue of limited liability.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,888 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Banks yes but only will get whatever they can from bankrupcy. I was talking about his taxes for Revenue



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,432 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    The relevant debts were the ones the poster asked about which were:

    Anybody know if Mick is paying back his debts


    How much did he shaft others for? Well according to this article, he owed over 30m at that time


    Another article on him here:


    All of which reminds me, whatever happened to CD when she was caught scamming expenses way back? Did she repay them? (For those who don't remember, it was allowed to submit for expenses for travel and associated accommodation for representatives to get from their constituencies to the Dail. She instead tried to submit for travel and hotels for weekends away to go down to get some publicity at various protests etc. I can't remember whatever happened of it. When Ivor Callelly put in for his dodgy expenses, that was the end for him. )


    Anyone know whether Mick's brother still has the vineyard that Mick "sold" to him when the creditors were closing in?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,888 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    I stand corrected thought he was asking about the Revenue ones he made a big song and dance about and asked for a pittance to be put forward from his Dail wages. Maybe he did same with other debts. But now he is not in the Dail who knows



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    I don't think so. While I wouldn't be a fan, it's important to have alternative, if genuinely held, views heard. If the invasion of Iraq thought us anything it's that the west is well capable of telling lies to fill the pockets of their donors. *off to get some freedom fries*



  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭Repo101


    I agree, but that does not mean the voice has to be Mick Wallace or Clare Daly. Both are grifters who got elected from large protest votes. While some people buy the little snippets of what they hear from Daly or Wallace, I think most people can spot a grifter when they see one.

    Irish people laugh about American and British politicians and the state of their political affairs. The reality is Irish politics is full of spineless, supine chancers like Daly and Wallace, but very few are as dim-witted as the socialists who let the mask slip far too often, while pretending not to support the Russians.

    Ireland needs to seriously clamp down on the far-left and far-right. Dissenting opinions need to be fact-based, and not populist, emotional garbage that you get from the far left and far right in Ireland. Most socialists I know are actively supporting Russia... If these people are the voice of reason, then Ireland is ****ed.

    The media are another major problem in this country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    I had some respect for Daly, but she seems to be Wallace's side kick these days.

    While Putin is a monster and a dictator we need to not allow that give the west a free pass. While condemning Putin they worked in upping fracking in the US to offset the need for Russian fuel. There's always a thought for profit in every decision they make, not necessarily the people.

    The media, IMO, are mostly Journos looking forward to getting a Special Advisor spot or PR job. They don't want to ruffle too many feathers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,051 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    I think that no matter what most of the people think about them they will be re-elected. They are not the only people who make you think how on earth they could get where they are. Like quite a few TD's who are full of it (wisdom) yet somehow they manage to get elected every time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,460 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Do you think we should elect Nazis because they are an 'alternative'?

    Should we teach intelligent design in schools because it's an alternative to evolution?

    Should we discuss in public, banning mixed marriages and relationships because it's an alternative?


    Every single post of yours on this topic has you having a sneaky regard for both Wallace and Daly. You never say a bad word about them but always chime in with the 'Both sides need to be heard' shilling shitck. Go shill elsewhere BB.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Sure Mark, sounds swell. Only joshing. Rather than repeat myself I suggest you read over what you quoted and take it down a notch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,460 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I know full well what I said, I'm just ripping apart our faux concern about 'two sides' to every Putin shilling story you have been doing on this thread.

    Post edited by markodaly on


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    I'm not concerned my friend. In another comment I also said "It's important to have alternative views, if genuinely held".

    What this means, (I'll break it down for you) is it's important that different views can be heard because the popular one isn't always proven to be right or even true. I went on to cite the invasion of Iraq. I also said Putin was a monster dictator.

    Do you think we should elect Nazis because they are an 'alternative'?

    So how you got all upset about Nazis and shilling for Putin was your own little magical mystery tour.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,460 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Yet, here you are defending the viewpoints of Wallace and Daly who are defending Putin's fascist neo-imperial Russia.

    Time and time again, you puppet the 'two sides' story. I guess you were a fan of Lord Haw-Haw as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,709 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    If you're a well-known figure it's easier to get votes for Europe than it is for the Dail. All you need really is name recognition, a leaflet and some posters. You don't even have to bother knocking on doors.

    Ronan Mullen got elected because most NUI graduates either don't bother to register or don't bother to vote, but there was a large enough body of NUI graduates who were highly motivated to do both - priests and other theology graduates from Maynooth

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    Anyone else boycotting Wallace’s Taverna?

    I have been boycotting it from before it opened.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    You're completely off the reservation here Mark. I'll defend their right to have an opinion, sure.

    Can you clarify what you mean by "puppet the two sides story"? Do you mean supporting democracy?

    All I did was say its important to hear genuine alternative opinions. You my friend are off on one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 934 ✭✭✭mikep


    I thought that place was gone...

    I was there years ago at an event and I remember a large mural on the wall with People before Profit emblazoned on it..

    I asked a waiter if they were on minimum wage...they were...

    I also asked if the wine they imported was cost price... couldn't get an answer...

    I always found it remarkable that Ireland's wannabe oligarch has the brass neck to tie in with the Pbp brigade .

    Also shows Daly as the scamner she is to go along with him...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    Yes still there. Radio Nova is currently running an advert for the restaurant which prompted my post.

    Not sure how he managed to hold onto an asset like this when he was declared bankrupt and many millions of his debt was written off.

    Maybe he did the old ‘switcheroo’ like he did with the vineyard transfer to his brother.



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