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Could you cook a MICHELIN style menu at home

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,015 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    You doubt yourself 😁 I reckon you'd be a dab hand at a spot of cooking, particularly baking if I recall

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    To be honest, Thinking you can buy lobster and be good at it is unrealistic.

    Try pick a dish you like and try it a good few times. Remember those Michelin chefs cook the same dish day on day on day.

    During lockdowns, I have perfected a few roasts, like how to get great crackling on pork.

    Cooking rib of beef just enough that the fat melts and getting those roasties perfect!


    My go-to main when people come over is duck breast with a red current and red wine sauce. To help with the presentation I serve everything else in bowls and let people serve themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭notAMember


    As the others said, Michelin is as much about service and experience as it is about the food, so it's tricky to cook and serve and eat it without abandoning your guest. However, maybe if they help out too. :)

    I'd pick these if I was trying it.



    Start

    Sautéed asparagus tips with creamy cauliflower, quail eggs, mushrooms, fried capers and black fermented garlic cream

    You can buy most of this and assemble / heat quickly. Doable. 


    OR

    Etic duck foie gras, with mango chutney, and bites of duck stuffed thigh

    Buy the duck pate, buy the chutney. Bites of duck I assume is some kind of duck leg appetiser? If you're going the wild mallard below, you could use some duck leg here to make crouquettes or do small portion of duck leg confit on crackers with the pate.



    Pasta

    Homemade Tortellini filled with peacock breast, in peacock broth, and fava beans

    Buy some good filled pasta and make a broth / stock to go with it. 


    OR

    Wholemeal maccheroni of drawn pasta, basil and lemon cream, wedges of artichokes and dehydrated ricotta-cheese

    A modification should be doable here. Drain the ricotta and let it dry a day before. basil and lemon cream sounds simple, and you can get canned artichoke hearts. They're not known as fartichokes without good reason though, so maybe sub with something else if there's intended to be romance here.



    Meats and Fish

    Wild mallard with Périgourdine sauce, potato cream, snow peas and pack choi

    This is Duck with mushroom red-wine sauce , spuds and veg. Doable. 


    OR


    Turbot fried in sugar with potato mousse, steamed vegetables, and leek sauce

    Turbot is easy enough to get from a fishmonger, not sure why it's fried in sugar here though. Do-able


    Thermidor lobster with glazed vegetables

    Way Too easy to muck up, don't do it



    Desserts


    Chocolate soufflé with hazelnut ice cream

    Choc soufflé is doable, buy some good ice-cream



    Selection of cheeses

    Easy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,682 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    There must be a few cook books out there with recipes and methods written by Michelin starred chefs? Have always been meaning to give it a try myself but would imagine it take a fair time commitment. Probably not too bad if you can find dishes to prep in advance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,324 ✭✭✭Archeron


    As soon as I read fava beans I went pfffffff 😂



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,059 ✭✭✭trashcan


    Hasn’t everybody ? Hell, when I was a kid I regularly played in FA Cup, European Cup and World Cup finals in the back garden. I’ll never forget that last minute winner to win the 1978 World Cup for Ireland. 😎



  • Administrators Posts: 54,059 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    There would be but they'd be recipes that have been adapted for home cooks. You aren't going to find many recipes talking about sous-vide or making foams etc.

    The practicalities of doing this type of food at home would be too stressful IMO. Most people are going to have only a 4 ring hob, a limited number of pans etc, it would be very hard work. Most home cooks don't have great knife skills so you'd be chopping for hours in advance to get the neatness and evenness associated with this sort of food.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    I've had Michelin starred dishes that were quite conventional French fine dining, and a close facsimile be might be more do-able for a very accomplished chef at home, as compared to some of the really contemporary and adventurous stuff.

    For example, If you go to Michelle Roux Jnr's there's always a simple but perfect cheese souffle on the menu, for example, and the meat main is likely to be a herb-custed rack of lamb (immaculately trimmed and cooked).

    However, I tend to agree that to put out a whole menu meeting that standard at home is probably more work than one person can realistically manage. If they had the time, the money, the kitchen, the budget and the skills, and chosen their menu carefully? Not impossible but yes very hard.

    The first thing I thought of also is that so much prep goes in in these kitchens, to get the smallest condiments and components correct and done in advance. You wouldn't have to cook with these elements to aim at a Michelin starred standard, of course, but they're fairly common in fine dining settings.

    For example, all the culinary foams, gels and whatnot that can be absolutely jam-packed with flavours. There's a bit in these small but punchy elements, I just don't see many home cooks having the patience to nail them if they're only an element in one dish on a bigger menu.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,682 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    yeah Michelin starred food seems to use a lot of foams using whipped cream siphons so you'd need one of them to start. I actually have a stock of CO2 canisters to run one as I use them for 5 litre mini kegs of beer, the siphons themselves can be got for about 40-50 euro. I had a sous vide before but gave it away, it was great and all but I didnt get any discernible taste difference from other methods of cooking.

    I was having a look at a few Michelin cook books on Amazon, there is quite a few about. From reading a few recipes Id say there are two main challenges for the home cook trying to replicate a dish, knife skills and actual sourcing unusual ingredients. Below is a recipe for monkfish from Arzak, a 3 star Michelin resturant in San Sebestian in Spain. It calls for 40 grams of monkfish liver in the sauce so you'd not only need to be able to fillet a monkfish very well, you've also to identify where is the liver. Im sure there are Youtube videos on it though so not impossible to find out.Or Im sure a fishmonger would do it for you, as rare as they are these days.

    The other thing it calls for is edible bronze powder (0.2 grams of it), it can be found online but with Michellin cooking these specialty ingredients will pop up in most recipes so you'd have to be willing to spend a lot of money on a lot of ingredients just to use a single gram or two of them. It could get expensive pretty quickly and then you're left over with all sorts of stuff not knowing what to do with it.

    Id say it is hard but not impossible for the home cook to do. But it would probably be better to start off just doing a single main course rather than diving straight in and trying to put up a 4 course meal. And then expanding from the main onto other courses with later attempts before bringing it all together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭phormium


    Is it just me that can't stand those 'foams', all I think of when I see it is that cuckoo spit stuff from bugs you get on plants! 🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,682 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    haha I hear ya.

    I think the idea of them is that the flavours are in tiny bubbles which then burst on the taste buds at the top of your mouth, its a sensory type of eating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,125 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Nope, I'm not a big fan of them and my wife can't stand them. I don't think they are so popular anymore, anyway.

    All a bit 2005

    Soneone mentioned fartychokes. It's Jerusalem artichokes that are notoriously windy, not globe artichokes that you buy hearts of.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,787 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Michelin is the taste, not the text



  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    Never understood why this stuff considered the "elite" of food its absolutely septic and the portions are laughable.

    i mean who has ever woke up and thought... ya know what ill have today...abit of Pike and lacquered eel from our lake with rice cream vegetables and marinated trout eggs.


    If i got half that shite for nothing id fire it in the bin!


    bacon and cabbage 4 lyf!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,125 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Just because you don't "get" fine dining doesn't mean it's all nonsense and that others doing genuinely appreciate it and enjoy it.

    Your post is extremely ignorant and is full of inverse snobbery.

    I absolutely love bacon and cabbage, done well. I also really enjoy good fine dining. Your experience of food isn't universal. People have different tastes and interests.

    You are, of course, entitled to your opinion but it seems pretty obvious that your opinions are based on prejudice, lack of experience and insecurity. It appears that you have never experienced fine dining, so your judgement of it is worthless.



  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    Fine dining? half the stuff on the menu wouldn't have sounded out of place on fear factor as a challenge lol its a FINE price for it though no doubt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,125 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Blah blah blah.

    Really, you have no idea what you are talking about. It's just loud hot air.

    Blah blah blah.



  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭TheTruth89


    🤣 enjoy your 80 euro spoonful of fish eggs, ill leave you too it! Very elite indeed 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,412 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    Not worth your time, BeerRev. Phillistines can just go on the ignore list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I certainly wouldn't be able to do it all... maybe one or two of the dishes but I'd need to practice them a few times to get them right.

    That's the reason we treat ourselves to fine dining every now and then I guess!

    Regular size people never left a Michelin star restaurant hungry by the way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,413 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The food in the vast majority of cookbooks won't be the same as what's served in the restaurants. Both from a practicality perspective and also that the kit and techniques in a home kitchen are completely different

    Blumenthal (his various starred restaurants have their own head chefs of course) has done some cookbooks that do list the professional kitchen techniques. But some of those - the Perfection series connected ones at least - are not stuff you'd get a sniff of a star with!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    As said, a full tasting menu in most Michelin starred restaurants can amount to quite a lot of food. Individual courses are small, but if there's 8-12 courses that's irrelevant. If you go and have an a la carte lunch then maybe it's a possibility depending on how you order.

    People who scoff at fine dining are as entitled to their view as anyone else, but yeah, if I was going to come up with a shortlist of what I suspect is behind it in most cases:-

    • Reverse snobbery, sometimes reminds me of a bloke I knew who wasn't comfortable staying in nice hotels, he always had to stay in a kip, because he had this image of himself as being a 'working class lad'.
    • Inferiority complex tied up with ideas of class, palate and a nervousness about what a fine dining environment is like ... This one makes me sad, as people who try a fine dining restaurant will almost always find themselves made very welcome. I don't like the idea of being being put off by a perception that today's fine dining restaurants remain snooty or exclusive (Bar the odd exception)
    • Limited palate. I actually think this is a fair and reasonable issue. If you are a very fussy eater the reality is that a fine dining restaurant is not going to suit unless they have kindly put "safe" options in the a la carte menu. And in fairness, this being Ireland, many places do this. Martin Kajuiter used to be adept at doing this, when he was at the Cliff House. His tasting menu was the real fine dining experience, and his a la carte was chosen to cater to well-heeling Irish people who just wanted to come in and have a well-done steak, or a nice piece of fish, and get their vegetables on the side as usual.
    • Cost implications. I have a friend from Cavan and none of the above applies to him, and he has plenty of money, but he is never, ever going to put his hand in his pocket for the price of a tasting menu for two people. Sorry for perpetuating the stereotype about Cavan folks but I said what I said ;)

    I'm with "The Truth" on one thing though, I'm not an eel fan. I don't like little smoked cubes of it, I don't like bigger pieces of it, to me it's like vermin of the water, it's up there with salmon roe as a commonly used element in fine dining that I will pass to the missus and ask her to finish off for me.

    I partly trace this dislike back to eating in a tempura restaurant in Japan where part of the set menu was eel. We were sitting at a counter, and the chef reached into a vat of water and pulled a live eel out in front of us. He pinned it to a wooden block with a chisel, at the neck, and then the slit it open and boned it in front of us. Then into the batter and it was fried and served in about 4 minutes flat. I can still see it whipping around like a live electric wire!

    On the cookbooks thing: A lot of Michelin starred chefs' cookbooks are geared towards home cooking. To be honest I'd say a shocking number of them are ghost-written by other chefs and just get the nod from the celebrity after the fact. A great one for everyday cooking is Tom Kerridge's first book 'Proper pub food'. Within the culinary grasp of dads everywhere, I should think ;)

    But then there are others, as L1011 alludes to, you get the sense are intended as coffee table food porn, not anything intended to be cooked at home in reality.

    For those interested in that, a great book that does away with any pretence of being about more than food tourism is 'On the menu' by Nicholas Lander. A big book tracing the evolution of fine dining menus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,676 ✭✭✭notAMember


    That eel story is the memorable Asian food experience for me too. I still remember getting a bowl of soup, hot water really, into which live little fish were dropped. My Asian colleagues were delighted with catching them while still moving. I couldn’t watch the fish flap about.


    That being said, I do love smoked eel.


    OP, London is easy to get to. Think about a couple of these short courses in London. I’ve done a couple of these as a home cook , they’re only a few hours long and you come away with the right skills in a small area.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Eels are scarce now and fishing fie them commercially is banned si ce 2008.

    Please don't kill pike for the table, they are just beginning to recover from the slaughter during the Influx of foreign workers during the celtic tiger.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,059 ✭✭✭trashcan


    I wouldn’t exactly scoff at fine dining, but I can see why some people would think it over rated and a bit too much style over substance. I did one of those tasting menu things once, and while it was quite nice, it didn’t blow me away. Have had far nicer in a a good Indian or Thai restaurant.

    On the subject of eel, I’ve had it in sushi, called unagi, and it was delicious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,789 ✭✭✭✭The Hill Billy


    Dishes in Michelin-starred restaurants aren't prepared by individuals, they are created by teams of highly experienced chefs. I would sincerely doubt that even the most experienced chef could single-handedly serve up a meal to that standard.

    A non-professional in a home kitchen could put together a fantastic meal made from the best of ingredients, but it will not be to the standards of a Michelin-starred restaurant.





  • Well, generally there’s a team but each dish will be prepared (cooked anyway) by one chef not a few.

    Starters will be prepared by the starter section, mains by the main section, garnish etc etc

    so you could cook and plate a “Michelin” meal at home but honestly the labour involved would be so intensive for a home cook, by themselves, it wouldn’t be worth it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,600 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    I have changed my mind it would be better to do it simply with the best ingredients, so a lobster tail with butter then Tournedos Rossini followed by a cream brulee and a really good bottle of red wine. I might swap out the main for some monkfish and the first course for something truffle based with a very good chilled white wine.





  • Could do a goats cheese parfait with truffle honey? Very nice with mixed leaf salad and pickle veg!



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