The annual Teachers threaten to strike thread

Can any of the teacher bashers on here point to any of the other motions put forth at the Union meetings???

So to recap ,

Have we all the old tropes in there:

What about teacher holidays.

what about the bad teachers.

What about COVID and teachers weren't teaching.

What about Europe.

What about teachers causing the crash in 2007.

What about the teacher doing grinds and not declaring tax.

What about that teacher I know through my sister's brother in law.

Are we done here?

Not rambling in the slightest. I think some assessment is needed for teachers to see if they can still teach.

I've had the experience, or more my kids in secondary school, over 6 years, so a long time, where time and time again complaints in written form from an overwhelming majority of parents to all avenues available. Teacher couldn't remember verbs, names, couldn't use media, didn't examine kids and the final two years every single kid in the class had to start grinds (actually suggested by the school) in 5th year and into 6th to cover the non-existent teaching. An extreme cause, but an example of when it goes bad, the bad remains.

There is no 'extra day'. Schools have the same number of days each year.

What has regulation got to do with it? Are you saying that banking and essential services shouldn't be regulated or what? Are you hankering back for the light touch banking regulation of the Celtic Tiger years that we're still paying for?

How does your statistical analysis take account of variable student intakes? The varying abilities, the students with disabilities, the students with great broadband and multiple devices vs the students working of a PAYG phone, the students who go on educational trips with parents or scouts each summer vs the students who don't?

For some students, getting from a D1 to a C3 is a huge achievement, taking hours of work and support and engagement with parents. For other students, getting A2 or A1s is routinely expected, when they have a teacher or lecturer in the family at home.

How will your statistical model handle that variability of inputs?

These aren't widgets. They are people.

With any performance management system, it is important to watch for unintended consequences. The system you've proposed puts the teacher's future employment in the hands of the students. If they take a grudge against their teacher, it wouldn't be too hard for a bunch of students to conspire to get poor results and get the teacher fired. This would particularly easy in a non-exam year.

There are no discretionary days or extra days. All schools have the same number of days.

Teachers don't control the school calendar and don't get to make extra weekends. Boards of Management make those decisions.

Where exactly did the teaching unions say the calendar was 'set in stone'? Can you provide a link to this please?

Hyperbole and fliball go hand in hand.

You have all the choice in the world, as pointed out above. If you don't like how things work here, don't let the door hit your arse on the way out as you head off to exercise your choices. See how green the grass is on the other side.

Great to hear I can use bitcoin now. How do I get my salary and buy my groceries in bitcoin now?

You can chop and change all you want with phones and banks and utilities, but it's just a different provider screwing you in a slightly different way at the end of the day. Your concept of choice seems very restricted.

Teachers don't control school building budgets. Try getting onto your TD or Minister if you want to change that.

You seem to think that sacking is a good thing. If schools are sacking teachers, that is evidence of poor recruitment practices and poor performance management practices. Have we not moved on from the days when the only measure of performance management is sacking?

I've no idea of overall numbers, but I've served on two school boards, and seen how decent principals routinely manage performance of their teachers. It happens every day.

And if you think grinds are evidence of poor teacher performance, you know very little about how things work. In many cases, the root cause of poor academic performance is nothing to do with the teacher's performance. The root cause is that the student isn't really that clever, or doesn't really apply themselves. In middle and higher income areas, you'll often find that the parent's response is to throw money at the problem and arrange grind or grinds, which don't solve the underlying issue at all.

I get feedback from my principal and the inspectorate and colleagues, and informally from students and parents. I've already said I think it's an interesting idea, but one frought with difficulty for very little gain.

Well before I go I will vote for Sinn Fein and see what they can do about the current sh1te thats gong on. Same goes for you if you dont like your salary feel free to joing the other teachers on the 5 year hiatus from their job in Dubai. You can get paid onto Revolute and pay for your groseries. You pick and choose peoples words and leave out what blows your argument out of the water, your an awful gobsh1te no point talking to you. You wont be getting any pay rises as the money is simply not there. So I will just ignore you. You focus on trying to bait and re arrange what people are saying.

Think we cross posted, I edited my previous post to add detail. I've attached link to the full set of procedures involved. What I initially described is what would be referred to in the documents as the informal stage.