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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Some good analysis here of peoples experiences of trying to report close passes etc to Gardai




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    Ah the poor bus drivers, pregnant women and children. All cyclists should get off the cycle lane on Alfie Byrne Road so these lads can park their buses for 2 concerts this weekend.


    https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0422/1293799-ed-sheeran-concert-coaches-bus/



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,418 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    isn't there dedicated parking for buses in or near the port which the operators don't/won't use?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,418 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    anyway, surely they could disgorge their passengers near the venue, and drive off and find parking which is not necessarily 'a walk' away, and repeat in reverse after the gig?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Think you're right MB, I have something in the back of my mind and it being posted about here a few years back.

    EDIT: Hang on it's been years since I've been on Alfie Byrne but isn't the cycle lane there segregated? So what the coaches want to park on that? 😂



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Don't think that would be logistically possible after the gig given the large numbers all coming out at exactly the same time. The only way the buses work is if they can drop off and tell people to return to that exact location at closing time.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,418 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    yes, that's been the arrangemebt for years - the coaches park on the segregated bike path.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,650 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Yup the aptly named “Docklands Coach Parking Facility” just behind the train station there. Built specifically by the NTA for this kind of thing, but the operators won’t pay for it.

    edit: actually it’s only open from 7am to 7pm according to the NTA website, which is daft



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,766 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Depends where they're parking in Whitehall, but there's probably less than a km in the difference.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,418 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,418 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder



    i am curious about the apparent claim that it'd only take 30 minutes to cycle in seemingly from the middle of dublin bay.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,650 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Yeah that’s the one, you enter through the slip road here

    It looks like NTA have given them Whitehall church car park anyways



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    A quick Dublin Bus directly from Whitehall Church to Drumcondra, and a short stroll to the stadium. As opposed to a 20+ minute walk with no public transport options from Alfie Byrne Road.

    Embarrassing article by RTE. That's something you'd expect to see in a local paper, not the national broadcaster. The journalist hasn't the interest or cop on to ask why should cyclists be put out of the safe segregated cycle lane to accommodate concert goers.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,418 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,636 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    This such a horseshit article

    what she does say - buses have up to now parked on the Alfie Byrne Road.

    What she doesnt say - buses have up to now parked on the footpath on the Alfie Byrne Road. Illegally.


    Anger as Sheeran gig coach parking moved further away (rte.ie)

    What really gets on my wick is the the NTA saying that the problem here is objections from cyclists.

    Not for example....that its illegal.

    Not because of the hazards it causes for pedestrians and cyclists as buses are pulling on and off footpaths at night.

    Like, by all means Samantha let them park up on the cycle lane & footpath - but heaven forbid that they might ever ever consider parking on the main road.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,636 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Croke Park not the only place that saw cycle lane induced 'chaos' this week.


    Parking at Dublin Zoo

    Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 00:05

    Sir, – Over the Easter Holiday, there were chaotic scenes in the Phoenix Park as thousands of families, hoping to visit Dublin Zoo, struggled to find parking.

    The Dublin Zoo is a truly national Irish institution, with families travelling from Kerry, Belfast, Cork, Galway, etc, to see this beautiful and educational campus. However, over Easter many simply had to give up when they could not park their car, as the Dublin Zoo car park and nearby areas were completely oversubscribed.

    The cause of this chaos was a deliberate decision by the Office of Public Works to end public parking along the main Chesterfield Avenue in order to create new cycling lanes on both side of this road, despite the fact that perfectly adequate cycling lanes, separate from the road, have for years existed a few yards away, through the grass. The only reason for this perverse decision was an ideological antagonism to those wishing to arrive by car.

    It is simply wrong to ask families, especially those with young children and buggies, to arrive at Dublin Zoo either by foot or through the non-existent public transport system in the Phoenix Park. Many of these families have travelled huge distances to get to the Dublin Zoo.

    It is yet another example of the “Green Agenda” losing touch with reality and inflicting needless discomfort on the local citizenry.

    It is time for our local politicians, including Tánaiste Leo Varadkar, to put a stop to this new regime and allow parking again on Chesterfield Avenue. – Yours, etc,

    Dr RAY BASSETT,

    Dublin 15.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,418 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Twitter was lit as a result of Maia dunphy quoting that letter and saying cars had been 'effectively banned' from the park. The ray Bassett who wrote the letter is a bit of a right wing irexit crackpot afaik.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,636 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Glad to say I've never heard of either of them (dont do twitter).

    Nonetheless, Irexit or not, he is given an audience in the Irish Times.

    This line alone - "The only reason for this perverse decision was an ideological antagonism to those wishing to arrive by car."

    He is saying that the only reason the cycle path was put in was so as to antagonise motorists. FFS. Of course he is allowed say it. But he isnt the one publishing it.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,577 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Ray Bassett is a clown and I'd pay no heed to anything he says. He is regularly quoted by the likes of the Express "newspaper" in the UK because he is a former diplomat (who has pro-Brexit, anti-EU views similar to the Express readership). He is also involved in trying to get an "Irexit", again something that the vast majority of Irish people don't want.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,636 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Cant ignore it - its a letter in the Irish Times, with a huge readership, complaining about motorists being disenfranchised by cycle lanes. One of probably hundreds of such letters over the past decade. Factually incorrect, but sure why does that matter.

    Do you think any disgruntled motorist will read that and say "well its Ray Bassett, so I wont take this too seriously".



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,577 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Given the Phoenix Park discussion, I just saw this on Twitter which is apt...




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,418 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Glad to say I've never heard of either of them (dont do twitter).

    She's a TV presenter or producer with a reasonable number of followers hence why it got traction, I reckon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,851 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    There is an easy way to sort the zoo car park out. I would go there regularly with the kids, would see alot of cyclists taking bikes off the cars in that car park and alot runners parking there also.


    So the solution is to charge 10 euro an hour and if you go into the zoo the ticket gets validated for free.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,577 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    But the car park is for the park users, not just the zoo users. There are enough spaces in the park. People shouldn't assume that there will be an abundance of parking spots on busy days as close as possible to wherever they intend going. If there is a risk that you cannot bring your disabled granny and ten infant children to the zoo because the walk from the nearest available parking spot is too far then go on a day that won't be so busy.

    Some people are far too delicate nowadays and it is a PITA to listen to the crap they come out with when they don't get their way.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,418 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    there are several issues with parking/attitudes to parking in the park. first, many people think that by removing parking on chesterfield avenue, they're removed parking for the zoo. there's no specified parking in the zoo, except for events like bloom; what they're complaining about is no parking which is a short walk from the zoo (which advertise themselves as being a three hour walk once you're in!)

    secondly, some of the larger car parks need to be accessed by driving into the centre of the park, or close to it; e.g. ashtown castle, or the papal cross car park. the former, especially, if you're coming from D15 you'll have driven over 5km inside the park just to get to and from it. so the traffic needlessly clogs up the main avenue.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,636 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    But when you say 'needlessly clogs up', I'd have thought it from a different perspective that they have concentrated all the traffic on Chesterfield so that other parts of the park can be pedestrianised/ one way.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,418 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it's more that they could put the large car parks on the outskirts of the zoo, rather than in the centre. reducing the distance travelled to access them.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,577 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Do they have the same wailing in London that we have here?




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,851 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    You do know its called the zoo carpark. So it should be for zoo only. Plenty of other car parks further down in the park.

    Just to highlight why the carpark was built

    "The Office of Public Works (OPW) has been granted planning permission by An Bord Pleanála for the car park at the Lords Walk, close to the Parkgate Street entrance to the park, to serve visitors to the zoo."

    Removing the parking from Chesterfield was a good idea, it looks way better and there is less people crossing cycling lane to get to a footpath



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,330 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Does Dr ray basset not know that there's are several hundred new spaces on the north road now too?



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