What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

And if you think SF will handle anything any better, good luck.

It doesn't matter which party you vote for in Ireland, any which way the country is doomed.

Actually most in work I have heard complaining are people who have had to jump through hoops to get Visas and or citizenship.

I'm still in awe and disbelief of that statement from her, this no cap on refugees to take in was the governments decision and here they are now acting as if our private property is theirs to do what they want with ....its mind blowing

I know. What does she mean when she says "Forcing people to give up property". How in the name of God can she say that? Are we in such a daze that that passed us by? Why isn't some journalist asking her about that?

Why don’t they take her seven bed property (as another poster mentioned) and house them there as she’s having second thoughts about taking in ‘a’ refugee.

You're rambling. Can you surmise your take of the problem in a few lines and back it up with data?

Probably not.

Your inability to parse information is your problem.

But here you go. Poster asks "how can they get away with saying...?"

I explained that it's because there is no journalism in this country, merely a PR machine that presents single sided views that are extensions of the ruling class.

Hopefully that alleviates your comprehension difficulties.

As for your example, you might want to consider which posters "berated" me. These being the extremely pro-multiculturalism/pro-immigration crowd, who are unwilling to tackle the negatives of their position, and instead, prefer to moralise others about their supposedly virtuous cause.

Why should anyone have to address what YOU see as the negatives of multiculturalism and immigration? The positives of multiculturalism and immigration have been elaborated upon numerous times, and simply handwaved away as based upon feels, as though the negatives being elaborated upon aren’t equally based upon feels, with a hefty dose of that same guilt by association which you’re arguing against.

Because some journalist doesn’t need to ask her about it when the context in which she said it is quite clear -

While numbers arriving have fallen in recent days, the Government expects it to rise again in the coming weeks.

McEntee, speaking in Government Buildings this morning, insisted that Ukrainian refugees will continue to be welcomed.

She indicated the Government will avoid, if possible, forcing people or businesses to give up property or open their homes to Ukrainian refugees.

The Millstreet Arena in Co Cork is being used to house at least 70 refugees, with the expectation that mass or emergency forms of accommodation will play a more central role in Irish efforts to welcome Ukrainians.

“Obviously we want to make sure that we don’t find ourselves in a situation where we don’t have space and accommodation, because we’ve been very clear we’re not going to turn people away. We’re not going to put a cap on the number of people,” McEntee said.

She said “every option” is being explored”

“We want to encourage people to come forwards, not to force anybody to have to give up their property or accommodation.”

McEntee said she would back plans to financially help households taking in Ukrainian refugees.

“There are people who are looking for it, there are others who aren’t, but I think obviously if we get to a situation where we want to encourage more people to offer up accommodation, that might be an option.

“We’re very aware that there’s an increase in costs in electricity and fuel, even in food prices.

“So I think what we’d have to establish is how we would cover those costs. I don’t think anybody’s looking to make money out of this.”

https://www.thejournal.ie/ogorman-grouped-accommodation-ukrainian-refugees-5743718-Apr2022/

That last part in bold is the only part I disagree with her on. There are plenty of people looking to make money out of the current situation; only a small amount of people will make any serious money out of it though. When looking to replace direct provision, it was inevitable that the money being spent on DP would simply be moved around. Saving money is not the aim of the game -

It’s understood the Government is looking at converting and refurbishing churches to house refugees as well as vacant properties and prefabs.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ireland-needs-build-35000-homes-26594137.amp

Approved Housing Bodies I expect are preparing themselves for an unexpected windfall in their fortunes, similar to the recent windfall that the Church has managed to negotiate for itself in terms of divestment to accommodate multi-denominational education -

https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/government-will-pay-church-to-rent-schools-that-become-multi-denominational-1272633.html

The feelings of resentment felt by a vanishingly small minority of people who feel they can’t say anything in public, who feel the media aren’t saying what they want the media to say, aren’t going to prevent the small number of people who are determined to make their fortunes from turning other peoples misfortune into something extremely positive, and profitable, for themselves.

The same people looking for everyone to “join together to fight the elites” are the same people who are critical of “the left”, who are the only people who are as idealistically driven and divided as they are, and that’s why they’ll struggle to gain any interest or popular support for their ideas. They’re critical of anyone receiving support from the State, while complaining because they claim to receive no support from the State, and no support in the media they’re equally as critical of. It shouldn’t come as a surprise that they need the support of the people they’re critical of in order to promote their ideas for how society should function according to their beliefs and values.

State broadcasters are overpaid! Shocker!

Jaysus.

And yet here you are, responding :)

Again, no data. No real argument. And rambling.

You sound angry. Would you just do a night course, maybe a degree? Better yourself? Or maybe play 5 a side football or something at least? Might be a good distraction.

I don't get the McEntee thing at all what was she talking about. She can't force anyone to give up their home or business. Even the implication doesn't make sense and will just cause trouble for the government IMO. Where are we China?

What legal mechanism would they use to take away people's homes? Or would they just make one up?

I suspect that anyone who doesn’t share your opinions is out of their minds. It’s not a persuasive argument. Meanwhile if there were any truth to your claims, people wouldn’t need persuading. Meanwhile you advise people to do this -

Know your stuff, know the statistics, know the numbers and then have a conversation with a status quo supporter, and ask the question "why?". Keep it short and sweet, invite them to understand that most of what they believe is simply rote learning. Invite critical thought.

Knowing well what you’re doing is this -

What you're doing is not clever or new. You are simultaneously playing stupid, putting on a ridiculously thin veil of "asking questions", demanding people work for you, but regardless will refute anything you don't like.

All you have are a handful of anecdotes. You don’t even have a persuasive argument, and the “vanishingly few” I referred to were the vanishingly small minority of people who feel they can’t say anything in public, etc -

The feelings of resentment felt by a vanishingly small minority of people who feel they can’t say anything in public, who feel the media aren’t saying what they want the media to say, aren’t going to prevent the small number of people who are determined to make their fortunes from turning other peoples misfortune into something extremely positive, and profitable, for themselves.

If they were to say anything in public, they would at least be more visible, y’know, like the group calling themselves “The People of Ireland against Fuel Prices”, and how did that go?

https://www.thejournal.ie/haulier-protest-dublin-monday-5733674-Apr2022/#comments

Lots of support in their echo chambers on social media, fcukall support in reality for their nonsense.

Deadly. You've got my number, for reals. Consider this for a nanosecond; you assume I'm a low paid worker, I'm uneducated, racist and so on. The problem, you see, is that you're talking to me, not about me, and you couldn't be further from the truth if you tried. So your insight is, demonstrably, woefully wrong. What do you think that says to me about your other interpretations of reality? Give a guess.

"De fordeners" as your green book instructs you to use, take up housing and take up facility.

That's the bottom line, and in a competition between the measurable realities of an affordability crisis of a Nation versus your insipid pavlovian internet sentinel training, your infantilism means sweet, sweet FA.

Now cry about your -isms and similarly projected shortcomings such as being "little".

Yeah, I'm a racist bamblophonic bongophobe-spelunking supersonic whistling pangolin-phile. Yeah, it's terrible, I know.

Yeah but my point is that for all their complaining about issues, very few people will actually DO anything to bring about change, and those that do try and do something have never received popular support, and they’re often castigated in the public domain.

Health, housing, squeezed middle issues have been pissing people off for as long as I can remember, but they’re always expecting someone else to make the first move, and when anyone does make the first move, people who complain don’t want to be associated with them.

It appears that the majority of people are primarily concerned with what’s happening in their own lives to show any concern for other people, and only when they’re directly affected do they go looking for support. Other people looking on will reasonably surmise that those people looking for support now, didn’t support them when they needed support, so why should they bother?

Any party trying to pass themselves off as far-right in this country will never gain any traction, let alone getting within an asses roar of threatening the two main parties who are doing a comical impression of aping leftist ideals.