Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

It's a bit of a balls the way things are going.

I would genuinely consider emigrating but wouldn't like to take the kids away from their grandparents while they are still alive. Maybe afterwards as both of us have jobs that are in demand around the world.

Anyone have any suggestions as to how to limit financial exposure to our crazy government? I assume house prices will continue to remain high as they are now putting fuel on housing shortages. Which is fine for people like me but I feel sorry for those looking to buy. Probably likely they could increase income tax and/or USC, or even introduce some other b0llox "solidarity" tax. I'm assuming they wouldn't go now extreme and heavily tax savings or raid people's pensions.

I know the fog of war has deluded some people about Ukraine, but Ukrainians are well used to living in a terribly ran nation. This narrative had to take a bad seat though, in order to paint their government as some sort of noble and heroic force.

I am not interested in keeping any Ukrainians in my home. You have to be a bit insane to take on someone whose background you haven't a clue of for an unknown amount of time. You will not be thanked for it in the end and all you will get is bills going through the roof. The government talk of 400 euro a month to host families is also pittance in today's climate. However, maybe if you are lucky though you might get a patronising clap in the end like the nurses did during Covid for your efforts.

Now seeing the government cut though all sorts of red tape to house these people and rolling out the red carpet (not Ukrainians fault) just really annoys me no end especially when we have a big housing issue here with young people and older people unable to get on the property ladder themselves as a result of government policies. If we should house Ukrainians then we should set up 1000's of prefabs somewhere but the government buying houses for these people is a massive kick in the teeth altogether.

Also, this idea that an unlimited amount of Ukrainians (talks of over 200,000) coming here is madness. However, the government and businesses will be licking their lips at the thought of cheap labour and driving down wages in this country. Likewise, anyone that thinks these people are going to want to return home when the war is eventually over to rebuild Ukraine are extremely naive. Why would you want to when you will be given everything on a plate here. The whole thing is a piss take from start to finish.

lazy deflection when facts and realities are pointed out to you

Facts and reality? 🤣

"are over 730,000 people" on waiting lists and "Projections for 2022 show that over 1.5 million patients will be added to active waiting lists this year". Those are truly insane numbers and now we've added over 25,000 people to that

You stated that every single Ukrainian that has entered the country have been added to acute waiting lists. Every single one of them.

That is neither fact nor reality is it? That is absolute nonsense, a sad figment of your imagination designed to scaremonger either yourself or others.

"Deflection" indeed. 😏 At least own your horséshít FFS.

Just more emotionals for the most part

You are the only one get emotional, bizarrely because of made up scenarios.

Must be exhausting to be constantly self terrifying.

I suspect the TD'S intervention may have focused minds so to speak but it sounds like the HSE had relented by then, but you highlighted what I've tried to articulate on how complex our Health and SW systems are. People who've worked hard all their lives get a set back and are greeted by a brick wall and then witness this free for all. I have no issue with support for all and any refugees but this is gone beyond surreal now.

Delighted you got the MC despite the battle and everything else you mentioned resolved itself 😉

The journalistic integrity in this country is in the gutter. They are essentially public relations for the ruling class.

A link between hundreds of thousands of extra people arriving into the country and the housing crisis? Might as well be looking for a unicorn. The party line, all of them, is that all immigration is great no matter what. We just need to build more houses (for who? How many? What's the cutoff? When is the cutoff? How many is too many? Inconvenient questions!)

An investigation into the tired trope of "we need them to help our health system" versus the reality of a perennially decreasing efficacy of healthcare? No. Don't think about it!

Criticism of how inviting in thousands upon thousands of ukrainians versus the availability of healthcare and housing for Irish people is bonkers, never mind extra people? Nope.

I don't think people are making educated, sensible decisions when it comes to voting. It isn't that the average Irish person is uneducated, it is that they are miseducated. They are misinformed day in and day out by the PR machine, there is no dissenting opinion allowed at large. And then you get a spiralling system of the runaway inequality where they vote for the profits of the ruling class and simultaneously ruin their futures.

Put it to anyone that backs the status quo, calmly and logically, and it's like watching a computer breakdown. "Why is that a good idea?" You can practically see the smoke and sparks coming out their ears. They don't know why they believe what they believe, it's rote learning.

Similar to the below (except it's not just about immigration, it's about every disaster being enacted upon the country)

It's really sad to see the manipulation, and easily uncovered with a quick conversation.

That said, like anything, there's only so far it can go, and people are, by and large, waking up to the sheer lunacy of the manipulation. Good.

Maybe when they start to go after private property, that might be the jolt needed for people...with the lomg history of land ownership, landlords, famine etc in this country, this could be the straw that broke the camel's back and people may start to push back...

or maybe not...the whole population seemed happy enough to be hypnotized during the pandemic so it's really anyone's guess at the moment...

i'm thinking the gov may start a vilifying campaign against 2nd or holiday home owners in the not too distant future though...start spreading the groundwork for what's to come....do your patriotic duty and hand over your 2nd home!

Do you think the drivers license was a go to item while escaping the war?

Where do you store your license? 😕

I imagine most people would store it in their wallet, phone or bag. No?

The point about insurance is a good one though. That will need to be ironed out.

Some insurance companies are saying Ukrainian licenses will be treated the same as EU licenses.

Allianz are actually giving 30 days free cover.

https://www.allianz.ie/Ukrainian-support.html

So in Theory they should be getting ripped off at the same level as everyone else.

As for getting their licenses back when they return home, that's hardly a major issue and wouldn't even register in the top 1000 problems that country will need to fix when and how this ends.

I never said it wouldn't be a top agenda, I said it wouldn't be a major issue.

Ukrainian critical system information is one of the most secure in the world.

I think your missing the elephant in the room , "If they return home"

We've seen a tremendous amount of Claims, Gestures of support etc, hasn't exactly worked out , has it.

Critical Infrastructure will be restored of course , but as it stands, I'd wager 5 to 10 years before Ukraine back to were it was

Anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree on the insurance topic

I don't like the way this is going. I don't like the way the government trample over the middle income earners time and time and time again because of stupidity on their part. They over committed and now we will pay heavily for it. And the poor Ukrainians will pay aswell because of an over commitment when we have nowhere near what is needed to deliver. It will just create a huge mess.

I'm a renter in Dublin saving for a mortgage. It's **** tough work. I've no immediate family I can fall back on to move in with. At the same time I'm looking at properties being swooped up by funds and people put into bidding wars and now let's face it, the Govt will be authorizing local authorities to hoover up available property in an effort to cover up the mess they have committed to. I expect available rental properties to be taken up with massive state contracts. Thus reducing rent and available supply for purchase further pushing up the property prices already at 15% year on year increase. It just seems very dark right now to think about.

At 34, emigration is again creeping into the thoughts but this time, probably for good. It's a worrying uncertain time. The alright jacks probably won't understand this.