General British politics discussion thread

The longer this fiasco is allowed to continue by the Tories the more and more damage it does to the party.

I'm frankly surprised that they don't have the required number of letters from the 2019 Red Wall MPs alone. They'll be the first ones to lose their seats with even the smallest of dips in support. If they ditch Johnson now they'll still have half of the 5 year term for someone else to come in and try and steady the ship.

At this stage though it shouldn't even be about winning that next election - the damage that Johnson is doing is more fundamental then that and it's more damaging to the country and its institutions.

Yes, absolutely. Westminster is completely different from the US separation-of-powers setup. Government Bills emerge from Cabinet - drafting of a Bill doesn't even begin until the policy which the Bill is to give effect to has been discussed and signed off in Cabinet. When drafted, each Bill goes again to Cabinet for approval before being introduced into Parliament.

It's then piloted through Parliament by the relevant Cabinet minister, who explains and justifies the policy behind the Bill, explains how the Bill will operate, and deals with opposition questions and objections to the Bill, but he does so on the basis that the policy and the Bill have both been approved by Cabinet, and the Cabinet is collectively responsible for them.

(There's a different process for Private Member's Bills, which are not sponsored by the government and for which the government has no responsibility. But Private Member's Bills very, very rarely become law, unless taken over by the government.)

[And, for the record, the PM doesn't actually sign Bills. The monarch does that, when they have been enacted by Parliament, or it is done on her behalf.]

Chris Andrews tried the no party branding thing when he was still in FF towards the end here. Didn't work!

Yep May elections are crucial. If the Tories do ok, Boris can point and say "nobody in the real world cares" if not so good then it should be enough for a final push.

Their ae numerous people plotting and scheming to replace him, but they know Boris will always be popular with the members so they don't want their fingerprints over it as they will have to win a members vote.

John McGuiness in Kilkenny has a tiny FF logo on all his literature/posters, but off topic so apologies.

But surely noone would be fooled to think "local conservative" ≠ "conservative party" ala Johnson's lot?

Its a seriously crappy distraction piece to take attention away from the fact three Tory cabinet MPs are being investigated for sexual misconduct.

Not to mention....

The daily mail is an absolute homophobic, xenophobic, mysogonistic rag, it is a mouthpiece for the Tories.

That's appalling, even for a rag like the daily mail