What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

24-04-2022 12:20am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968139#Comment_118968139

I don't know anywhere in the country though that there is an abundance of housing though, the council being able to buy up more of a scarce resource will just cause more homelessness surely. If someone wanted the rise of the far right in this country then what the Government is doing as regards housing right now is the way to go about it.

The tenants living next door to me were sent notice that the landlord intends to sell and they have had to find an appartment at double their current rent as they have a child in school locally and do not drive. The price we have heard the landlord intends to sell for is outrageously high for the quality of the house and will only attract someone who is completely desperate for a house, it would not be a price that the council would be allowed to pay for a 3 bedroom (800k) and I would expect it will just sit empty on the market. Having a look at Daft, anything well priced is snapped up asap.

24-04-2022 12:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968209#Comment_118968209

Aye there's a shocking shortage of housing but that has been the same for the last few years and would remain so even if there were zero purchases by councils.

What is a welcome development on that front, is the new of the LDA (land development agency) looking to build 2,300 houses asap. I referred to this previously, where we need an agency like the NTA(buses) or the NRA (roads) to come along and directly fund the construction of housing. Looks like the LDA are taking up that role.

Freight bandit · 24-04-2022 12:27am

I'm living in a relatives house that's under the fair deal scheme, its been in the family for 110 years...im starting to get worried

Strumms · 24-04-2022 12:29am

Taking up the role to facilitate non tax payers, when irish people needed it where were they then ??

alexv · 24-04-2022 12:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968162#Comment_118968162

It honestly doesn't bother me. It's actually very funny when you look at it with a slightly critical eye.

This is just one example of a kind of advertising which has become so pervasive in the anglophone world that it's quickly becoming a cliché. It just skillfully ticks all the boxes in a way which is quite laughable.

Thanks for your concern though. You all good, boss?

24-04-2022 1:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968227#Comment_118968227

The houses both sides of my parents in my home town are fair deal properties, both are owned by widows who are in nursing homes because of dementia and have been for a while, they would be ideal to be sold and put into use as family homes, both 4 bedrooms.

The problem is that they are full of stuff, one side has 3 grown up children who I assume will inherit between them but I cannot imagine them clearing out or selling until she dies which could be another 20 years as shes only in her 70's (early onset). The other side has no children and from what we know made multiple wills leaving things to family members that she ended up then falling out with because of dementia. Again a house full of stuff that I don't think anyone can clear out until she dies.

There are so many unoccupied fair deal properties but so many logistical nightmares that come with them.

allgoodboss · 24-04-2022 4:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968254#Comment_118968254

So your issue is that advertising is making white people look bad and that its becoming increasingly cliché, but this doesn't actually really bother you... Riiiight.

Luxembourgo · 24-04-2022 7:04am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118967628#Comment_118967628

Alot of truth in that but asking for a discussion on immigration wouldn't make a party far right, nor would the electorate see it like that imo. Grealish for example was reelected. Castigated by the homogenous blob that is the Irish press, voted in by the public.

Weve very little choice in this country.

Luxembourgo · 24-04-2022 7:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968139#Comment_118968139

Great news, just screw over people looking to buy continously, pushing up house prices for everyone. They are already doing it through agencies etc, this will make the problem worse.

DaCor, why would a Ukrainian deserve a council house before people already on the housing list or a couple looking to buy?

olestoepoke · 24-04-2022 8:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968081#Comment_118968081

You asked for the statement and I provided it so there is no "And..?". To humour you....No I don't, I think it would definitely spark social unrest. That said, the comment in itself is shocking coming from our minister of Justice and highlights just how out of touch the current government is with the people of Ireland.

olestoepoke · 24-04-2022 9:16am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968139#Comment_118968139

A monumental kick in the teeth for families sitting on the housing list for years.

Luxembourgo · 24-04-2022 9:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968638#Comment_118968638

Worse for those scrimping and saving and getting ridden solid with rent. Honestly don't know how people, that are not state supported, afford rent and kids these days.

allgoodboss · 24-04-2022 10:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968603#Comment_118968603

Thanks for comfirming that you don't actually think people will loose their homes. We got there in the end!

Kermit.de.frog · 24-04-2022 10:25am

Vast majority of immigrants to Ireland work hard, pay taxes and contribute hugely to the country in other ways no matter their jobs or income.

The country couldn't function without them.

Same can't be said for the cohort of Irish natives happy on cradle to grave welfare generationally sucking off the tit of anyone who thinks you should work for a living. This, that and everything paid for.

Blaming immigrants is absurd. Just look around you.

The lack of self awareness at times in this thread is something else.

DeadHand · 24-04-2022 10:27am

Our elite have long since abandoned the precept that the space and resources of Ireland belong first and foremost to the Irish nation.

That isn't a recent, radical and Far Right idea, that is a founding principle of the Irish Republic.

Our elite have recently abandoned the reality that the space and resources of Ireland are finite.

Not content with merely betraying the nation, they now feel able to betray logic. Not content with merely abandoning the Republic, they now feel able to abandon reason.

All for what?

Future careers in Brussels.

Bloated labour pools and and markets for their corporate allies.

Twitter likes.

Meanwhile, the resultant suffering of the native society accelerates.

A precipice approaches, I think many of us feel it.

Wibbs · 24-04-2022 10:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968254#Comment_118968254

Well of course it's the all too usual gormless man, mature knowing woman stuff, that seems to appeal, or marketeers think appeals to suburban women who control more of the household budget. But actually it's different in one way, they cast a Black woman in the role. They're usually absent in mixed race couples in advertising, they're pretty absent in general(as Black women in the US have long noted. The Black man is feared and fetishised, the Black woman largely ignored)*. It's usually and by a long way Black man, White woman. East Asian men, women, couples are almost completely absent. They don't seem to exist or cut it as "multicultural" enough for either the advertisers or the Right On.

There's a hierarchy of sorts when it comes to "multiculturalism", both among the pro and anti camp. Black is top of the tree, Brown gets the nod, Yellow is blink and you'll miss them and White is pretty much nonexistent. The pros get the horn for Blacker the better, the antis get the horn over being "replaced" by Black. The recent 25,000 pale faced Ukrainians seems to be confusing both sides. Even though the vast majority of non native Irish people living in Ireland before they showed up were White Europeans. The Poles alone dwarf the number of Africans living here, never mind the tens of thousands of Italians, Germans, Spaniards, White British and so on.

*Way back in this thread there was a link to an Irish government marketing campaign for early learning for kids and the bumpf had cartoons of Irish couples and kids. No White men, No Black women.

Wibbs · 24-04-2022 10:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968791#Comment_118968791

Over half of Africans living in Ireland don't work. Their unemployment rate is over double the native population as are their requirements for social supports. Actual facts. But yeah it's the "Irish natives" that are the bigger problem.

And yep we already had our own homegrown social welfare underclass, so importing more that have different problems on top was a good move?

TomTomTim · 24-04-2022 10:45am

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This "Ireland couldn't function without immigrants", is nothing but dramatic nonsense. It's easy to say these things too when the state have made themselves dependent on immigrant workers, as in if they all left tomorrow we'd be in trouble. The state and corporations have created that dependency not the people, and the people suffer because of it.

I've little sympathy for those waiting on houses, but the reality remains the same, in that the state has to buy houses to house those people, leaving less houses on the market for the working man. And as you know fine well nearly everyone on this thread has more of an issue with the Irish government than immigrants themselves, yet that doesn't have the same emotional appeal, so you go straight for the "blaming immigrants" attack.

24-04-2022 10:46am

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The country couldn't function without them.

That's an exaggeration. Most skilled labour to Ireland, such as the doctors/nurses are on fixed term contracts (renewable) and most of them have zero intention of remaining here after. The same again for specialists in programming/software engineering. They're simply here because there is employment, and get paid relatively well compared to other options (in that competition is often higher for international staff in other nations).

The vast majority of immigrants in Ireland are not providing skills or services that couldn't be provided by Irish people. They're replaceable. If every migrant left Ireland today, Ireland would struggle a little... and we could replace them easily by vetting a new batch of immigrants. Ireland is one of the most popular destinations for employment by migrants these days. So, we really don't have to go begging for attention, and letting in people who don't provide the range of skills/education that this country truly needs.

Vast majority of immigrants to Ireland work hard, pay taxes and contribute hugely to the country in other ways no matter their jobs or income.

Except that's not true. A large portion of immigration in Ireland revolves around low skilled labour, which typically has low pay, job security, etc. As such, their contributions to the economy are debatable, especially when you factor in the amount of money leaving Ireland to be sent home to their families. That's a rather significant drain on the economy. In addition, to the demands they place on State infrastructure like the health service, the matter of their contributions isn't clear.

I do notice you've avoided the much commented statistic towards Africans working here, vs those who are unemployed. That's not a vast majority.

Same can't be said for the cohort of Irish natives happy on cradle to grave welfare generationally sucking off the tit of anyone who thinks you should work for a living. This, that and everything paid for.

Every nation under the sun has a cohort of disadvantaged, or those who game the system, which is particularly true in countries that have a welfare system. We're expected to support the weakest member of our own society.. we're not expected to support the weakest members of others societies though. There's a rather big difference there.

Blaming immigrants is absurd. Just look around you.

I don't blame immigrants. I understand completely why they would want to live abroad. I've done it myself. However, I do blame poor immigration policies, a general lack of interest in integration or assimilation of foreign groups, the blindness to the host of problems associated with migrant groups which have consistently manifested in other European countries but is completely ignored here, except to pass blame to the natives.

As for looking around, you might want to do the same.

The lack of self awareness at times in this thread is something else.

You know... I've noticed the same thing. There's also a decided lack of debate too when it comes to dealing with the negatives associated with immigration, and instead, just like your post, there is an attempt to deflect attention away from it.

One eyed Jack · 24-04-2022 10:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968456#Comment_118968456

Asking for a discussion on immigration isn’t what I was referring to though. I was referring to this part of your post -

The squeezed middle (which includes many foreign people) are getting increasingly pissed off about seeing their government enacts policies and make decisions that impact them negatively or limit their opportunities. Things like own door policies for asulym seekers or buying houses for Ukrainians is a slap in the face for many people.

It's like they want a far right to form....

Far-right parties aren’t going to form around the above. They don’t want to discuss immigration or multiculturalism, they want it gone, and they’ll lean on every negative stereotype about immigrants to whip up resentment of immigrants and any groups in society who according to their assessments are inferior to them and a burden on society.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968661#Comment_118968661

They do like most people and get themselves in over their heads in debt. I don’t watch much RTE, so I can’t remember the names of the programmes other than “Room to Improve”, but there are other programmes where they go hunting for doer-uppers around Ireland and all that sort of stuff. They do Prime Time specials on property and antisocial behaviour and the various estates around Ireland.

Like I agreed with @Wibbs earlier - I haven’t seen any Prime Time specials on the negatives of immigration or multiculturalism, nor would I bother my arse watching them if they were on. I’m just not interested in dramatics, which is how I would characterise attempts to perpetuate negative stereotypes about any group in Irish society. It’s why I was thankful when for example Ruth Coppinger wasn’t re-elected after she swung her knickers around in the Dail in an attempt to undermine the Irish justice system. Nobody needs to see that sort of thing 😒

Arthur Daley · 24-04-2022 11:11am

Plenty of Irish doctors and nurses emmigrate on qualification. It is clearly a deliberate policy, because it has been going on for a number of years and nothing is being done to tackle this emmigration.

olestoepoke · 24-04-2022 11:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968776#Comment_118968776

We got there in the end? I think you may have me mistaken for another poster, I had little or no correspondence with you. You really don't have a clue what's going on do you?

allgoodboss · 24-04-2022 11:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968977#Comment_118968977

OK if you say so :)

olestoepoke · 24-04-2022 11:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118969043#Comment_118969043

A childish response, did you even bother to scroll back and realise your mistake? Or are you just set on trying to wind people up?

Luxembourgo · 24-04-2022 11:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968884#Comment_118968884

And to be clear I do not want a far right in this country but a failure to discuss things, and a constant branding of anyone who dares to be different than the status quo ( see covid as well which is ever shifting it seems), it is likely to lead to more resentment.

24-04-2022 12:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968933#Comment_118968933

They way around this was when free fees were introduced, was for the government to insist that anybody who avails of them, irregardless of course of study, to commit to five years working in Ireland, or repay the fees over ten years with interest if they moved abroad within 5 years(taken by the revenue on return from abroad). Can see a problem with forcing one graduate to stay and others to travel freely

bloopy · 24-04-2022 12:25pm

"A monumental kick in the teeth for families sitting on the housing list for years."

But a long way towards hitting the 2024 target announced last year for the changes to the direct provision system.

People wondered how they would do it - well now we know.

One eyed Jack · 24-04-2022 12:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118969069#Comment_118969069

The far-right in this country are as extreme as the far-left, neither are particularly popular, so I don’t think anyone has anything to fear from either side ever gaining any traction.

There’s plenty of constructive discussion is ongoing between the majority of people who have different political views on social policies, and it’s only really in online echo chambers that the extremists hang out expressing seething resentment towards other groups in society who they portray as an impediment to their ideas. It’s in these echo chambers their ideas are validated and legitimised which gives the impression that they’re more popular than they are in reality. Again, see the example of the People of Ireland Against Fuel Prices crowd, there was nothing constructive about it -

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hauliers-chief-condemns-dublin-fuel-price-protest-t0fkkvsln

Everyone is pissed off with rising fuel costs among a whole range of other issues, but I don’t blame anyone who doesn’t want to be associated with people claiming to represent them, who actually don’t represent anyone but themselves.

alexv · 24-04-2022 12:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118968412#Comment_118968412

Slow down, Cathy. You'll make yourself dizzy.

Luxembourgo · 24-04-2022 1:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118969208#Comment_118969208

Yet the far left are continually platformed by our media

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