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Mod Note Post #1 - The 2022 All Ireland Senior Football Championship.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,973 ✭✭✭✭Mars Bar





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    Where did that 5 minutes of added time come from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,584 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    There is 30 seconds for every substitution. As well there was lads down a good few times.

    5 minutes is the lowest not for extra time in the second half.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,459 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Will Offaly go into The All Ireland or because they relegated they go into the Tailteann Cup ?

    Armagh and Mayo into the Qualifiers



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It depends how many D3/D4 teams make the provincial final.

    If none, all D2 teams remain.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,498 ✭✭✭ArnoldJRimmer


    Offaly were relegated from Division Two, so go into the Tailteann Cup



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,736 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    And it's been that way for about 6 years

    But people still ask the "where did x minutes come from" question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    How did Mayo lose that match? They couldn’t score. How did Galway not win by more? All out defend puke football is why. Mayo were awful, Galway no great shakes but just about managed to win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,207 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I thought this year all D2 - relegated + promoted are in Sam even if D3/4 get to provincial finals and the rules you are talking about are from next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,498 ✭✭✭ArnoldJRimmer


    You could be right, hard to follow the rules and formats at this stage



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,207 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I thought like yourself but someone has me convinced that Limerick are definitely Sam this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,498 ✭✭✭ArnoldJRimmer


    Limerick and Louth are definitely Sam due to getting promoted, I was just under the impression Down and Offaly weren’t due to relegation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,207 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Down and Offaly are not but even if a D4 team wins provincial they will not replace a D2 team this year I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,736 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Div 1 and Div 2 for 2023 are in Sam this year.

    Div 3 and 4 for 2023 are in Sam only if they reach a 2022 provincial final



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,207 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Yes but are they added to Sam or replace a D2 team this year is what is confusing people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,584 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Ya you even get it at matches. Mostly by lads who never follow any foitbal except there county team. Any right match where they are ahead they wonder where the minutes came from.

    Most teams use there full compliment of substitutes. That 5 minutes anyway.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,207 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    There are statistics that show 5 mins is about 25 too little in most field sports. Time spent out of play is shocking when you look at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Of the two games i watched today.

    Donegal v Armagh

    Hyped up to be a close game but Armagh in the Ulster championship under McGeeney a huge disappointment. Donegal full value for their 7 point win and will likely get a tougher challenge from Cavan next.


    Mayo v Galway

    The 1 point winning margin didn't go Galway justice, defended and attacked better than Mayo and held their own in midfield. They have a serious chance of reaching a rare AI semi final now. (rare since 2001)

    Mayo only played well in patches. Scored the last 5 points of the game to give the result a flattering look. They have a long break to regroup now and would be foolish to write them off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,736 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    The qualifiers will have a preliminary round - if required if there are more than 8 Div 1 and Div 2 teams not making the provincial finals.

    Then a first round proper of 8 teams and a second round with the provincial losers.

    So the likes of Offaly will not "replace" any teams.

    The Div 1 and Div 2 teams will be narrowed down to four by the time Offaly meet them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭Boom__Boom


    Added to the Sam Maguire qualifiers this year.

    If 8 Division 3 and Division 4 teams got to the provincial finals, they would all be added to the Sam Maguire qualifiers.

    From next year, the winners of provincial finals are the top 4 seeds and the loser of the provincial finals are the 2nd 4 seeds.

    Then the teams are ranked based on league position (with the 8 provincial finalists removed) after relegation and and the promotion finals.

    Roscommon, Galway, Kildare, Dublin would be the order this year

    The top 4 league teams are the 3rd seeds.

    The teams 5 to 8th are the 4th seeds.

    If the team that won the previous year's Tailteann Cup doesn't qualify through another method, they take the place of the 8th league team as one of the 4th seeds.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,279 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    They have made no progress with John Maughan as Manager. I honestly don't understand how Tomās O'Sē got involved with them this year..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭Boom__Boom



    It's 20 seconds per substitution.

    There were 10 subs in total but one of those was at half-time so the minimum sub time is 180 seconds or 3 minutes.

    There was consultation with the linesman for the McLaughlin yellow and there was a number of times the play was stopped due to injury.

    The amount of injury time played in pretty much every game is nearly always way less than it should be.

    [quote]

    • Playing time shall be extended by the referee for incidental or deliberate delays*, by stopping the watch for each such delay.

    *Examples of incidental delays:

    • Play stopped due to injury.

    • Melee.

    • Delay due to dealing with a Disciplinary issue.

    • Consultation with other Match Officials.

    • Time taken for the making of substitutions (20 secs approx. per sub).

    • Delay due to Hawkeye being called for in games in Páirc an Chrócaigh and Semple Stadium


    *Examples of deliberate delays:

    • Excessive time taken in making substitutions.

    • A player with a blood injury refusing to leave the field when asked to do so. [/quote]




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭john9876


    Would it be too much to take the time keeping out of the refs hands like the rugby, at least at inter county level.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Less chance of being able to fabricate draws to generate more revenue.

    Can't think of any other reason bar that for persisting with it.

    One that stands out to me is the Cork/Clare drawn AI, Cork have a line ball.. hit it wide.. time alloted was up.. ref let's Clare attack and they equilise and win the replay.

    The amount of time, and when it's blown up can be the difference between team A winning, B winning or a draw.

    It's scandalous that it's not the first rule chance brought through on any given year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Gael85


    Similar against James McCarthy in 2016 AI final. McCarthy was moving forward, COC blocked his run and fell to the ground. McCarthy blackcarded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,207 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That draw thing has always been pure barstool nonsense.

    Stopping time still doesn't solve the problem as how and when the ref stops it becomes an issue in sports like GAA ones. Rugby is very different in the pace of the game which is why soccer also doesn't have a stop clock.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I wouldnt call it a shock. Laois have been **** this year. Had a poor league campaign with relegation to Division 4



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭harpsman


    O Neill threw the ball into the net so the goal definitely should have been disallowed even if there was no foul on the keeper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Are Ofally in the Sam Maguire or not? So confusing. You'd need a PhD to figure out the groups and seeds for next year.

    Would they not have been better to have the top league teams ranked as seeds and have them on opposite sides of the provincial draw and then do a straight shootout. AI Quarters with no qualifiers, just provincians winners/losers. Rest go into TC



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,207 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭_NAGDEFY


    His uncle Paidi was really good friends with Brian Cowen. The later advised him to play Seamus Moynihan at full back in 2000. There seems to be a bit of connection from the 70s and 80s too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭_NAGDEFY


    As a Laois person I find it hard to recall a worse weekend.

    Against Wicklow, yes we went down to Division 4. But Wicklow were last in the table and we beat them by 12 pts last month.

    I see at home 4 and 5 clubs joining up to make minor football teams. Clubs that 30 years ago all had a minor team. Our population split in 2 codes isn't helping. We have 82,000 pop. But about 20,000 commuters or Dubs who's kids generally don't play. We have to sort that.

    We were missing 5 first starters v KK but the game was over at half time.

    From 1995 -2007 we won 3 All Ireland minor football titles and won many provincial minor and u21 titles in football. A senior Leinster in 2003. Played finals in Leinster senior in 2004, 2005 and 2007.

    Our hurlers are performing to potential in staying Liam McCarthy and Div 1. But the arse has totally fallen out of football. Since 2010 we've had Sean Dempsey, Justin McNulty, Tomas O'Flatharta, Peter Creedon, Mick Lillis, John Sugrue, Mike Quirke and now Billy Sheehan as managers. 8 managers in 12 years! Our highlights being an AI QF v Dublin in 2012, lost by 3 pts. A Leinster final double digit loss to Dublin in 2018. Even since 2018 we've nose dived.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭_NAGDEFY


    Fair play to Wicklow. Far the better team. They've produced many good ones. Kevin O'Brien, Pat O'Byrne, Conan Daye, Leighton Glynn.

    They deserve their day. Congrats to Wicklow gaels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    From talking to a few lads who played under him at various levels, Sheehan seems to be the biggest spoofer going.

    I'm surprised they were so bad against Wicklow- they are usually good for a win or two in the province and generally punch above their weight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭_NAGDEFY


    True. He is. That's the way we've to try and move on.

    Congrats on the football win. Very good win. Ye gave Dublin plenty last year.

    The hurling. That was one left behind.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Difference between today and yesterday is that the footballers went out with an actual, identifable gameplan while it was hard to distinguish what the hurlers were at. They had a solid league and a tame championship so far. The footballers has a disappointing league, but according to reports put in hours of prep and fitness work in readiness for today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,566 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    They should try to get relegated to Division 4, that’s where it’s at these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,584 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Even if he hand passed you cannot hand pass into the goal. It did not touch a Donegal player on the way in as far as I could see. Refs should have consulted his umpires, but call.lookef correct.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,736 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    I would be slow enough to christen Galway All Ireland semi finalists.

    Roscommon are more than capable of beating them if they meet later, as are Galway well capable of beating Roscommon.

    And with only Div 1 and Div 2 teams eligible the quarter finals could be very competitive this year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    I think this is the current state of things:

    SFC Qualifiers:

    Armagh

    Mayo


    Tailteann Cup:

    London

    NY

    Antrim

    Carlow

    Laois

    Fermanagh

    Offaly



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    Hit the nail on the head about the manager, he managed a friend intermediate team for a year and was a disaster and put them back with lads walking away, the lads from Port are not on the panel a total of six fellas that would start yesterday and started with a 36 year old fullback on a quick Wicklow full forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Fattybojangles


    An unbelievable individual performance from Ben Brosnan in his 15th year of championship football 1-9 out of 1-15 a great return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭Boom__Boom


    With so many finish on the day games now especially in the championship, the notion of refs playing for the draw is surely dead.

    From what I've seen the Ladies Football time-keeping system is far far superior.

    Seems to be utter rank stupidity by the powers that be that football and hurling don't adopt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,075 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Jayus I just realised Dublin managed to make Armagh look like a top notch side in the league. If I was in the Wexford camp I would secretly thinking great chance of a shock down in the South East.

    The scary thing is to beat Dublin it does not even have to be fancy or complicated. A few fast lads to run at that Dublin back line. Plus a lump to win high balls it should create havoc. Just go for the Dublin back line.

    I expect Dublin to be easy enough to defend against usually going sideways and backwards solely. Very few Dublin lads are willing to break forwards. A side very dependent on frees. That is this Dublin teams lifeblood - a handy free.

    I know it is a bad thing to say. But watching the Dublin football team is really frustrating at the moment. Part of me wants the misery to end quick.

    It’s the worst football I have ever seen a Dublin team play. And that is including the Dublin flaky team of the 00’s. At least they ran at teams! No sideways stuff for the sake of it in those days.

    It makes it all the worse that there are still 3/4 top players there from ‘the great era’ but because the organisation from management is so poor. It almost makes it irrelevant,

    It will be a curious thing to see how Wexford approach it. In their mind are they going to be playing ‘the Dubs’? Or what Dublin really are = disjointed poorly run side, that can be got at?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,075 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    20 years ago I would have agreed with you. Ok there might be the odd anomaly of teams not been ‘tuned in’. But by and large div1 in football at the top. Is a good indicator of where a team is.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,255 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    Mickey Graham wouldn't agree with you. He has taken Cavan to an Ulster final in 2019 (first since 2001), an Ulster win in 2020, a first round loss to Tyrone in 2021 (poor year granted but it was the eventual AI winners) and has just beaten an Antrim team that some people labelled better because they were in Division 3 by 13 points. He's done that whilst getting relegated every year in the League bar this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,692 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    We have had the cute Kerry hoor.

    Now folks we have a jackeen downplaying the Dubs!

    Spillane would be proud.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    You'd miss the days of Westmeath and Laois winning Leinster! Wicklow caused a few shocks under Mick too...Fermanagh up north as well.

    I suppose Cavan and Monaghan are this periods standouts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭Breifne Blue


    Championship is what matters not league. Cavan are in the semi finals again after 2 Ulster finals in 3 years and one Ulster not title. Not bad for a "Division 4 team".

    But I fail to see what Cavan are to do with McGeeny and Armagh's appalling Championship record. They have barely won a championship match under McGeeney.

    But hey at least they celebrated like an All Ireland for a few league wins in February!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭dobman88


    Tipp won Munster football in 2020. That's a standout result too.



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