Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

People should make their feelings known about this issue to all of their local TDs plus Co. Councillors.

I was editing it before you jumped on it.

Refugees flee in the majority to neighbouring countries, last time I checked Syria are not in Europe nor are it's neighbours in the EU.

Discuss.

Certainly, so you think it's appropriate for a Government (Ireland) Devoid of a Plan,Resources, Infrastructure, Accommodation and already failing miserably to deal with its own crisis (to many to name) to openly invite Traumatised Refugee's to track across an entire continent via land, sea and air under a false premice of offering appropriate accommodation 🤔

Then when they realise the mess they've created start coming out with quite extraordinary solutions that defy even basic logic 🤔

Makes so much sense really.

Yikes

imagine waking up and finding out your leisure centre is gone

feel sorry for the guy who has to randomly move his whole gym 😂

That Arklow story is mad. Had to google it and found this article as well. Sure it's grand, just pay the people out of work from the cafe JobSeeker's, plenty money about. 😄 Absolutely bizarre stuff.

The current crop of economic migrants (AKA asylum seekers) who are in Direct Provision should be grateful for how slow the whole processing system is. Think about it - a single person in DP is granted full citizenship today, within say a week, gets a job, starting salary of say €27K He/she has to find & pay a hefty deposit for accommodation plus all other costs of living, taxes, medical, food, clothes etc. Granted there is more to being in gainful employment than the financial reward, but for probably less than nett €90 per week a migrant or indeed an Irish citizen would justifiably ask him/herself is work worth the hassle. I guess it explains why we have so many young, healthy people on the dole and related benefits while 100's of vacancies go without even a single applicant.

Hotels still are. Any that are shedding staff will find it impossible to re-hire them should they want to open later in the season; as those staff will be working for other, open, hotels.

Originally I am from Arklow and that place is not suitable to house refugees.

Ireland does not have the capacity to take in people on a large scale.

The problem is that there are those who seem determined to peddle the view that the movement of refugees fleeing the bombardment of their homes must somehow be subject to the same bottom line thinking of any old policy decision - that it must "make sense" on the balance sheet. They trumpet this as realpolitik, facts-over-feelings realism versus the virtue signalling snowflakes.

But wars and the fleeing of people from them are not the kind of things that sit neatly in the financial statements. Yes, they are an economic burden - of course they are. War sucks. Having to take an economic hit during a time of war sucks. But those who like to present themselves as the champions of facts over feelings seem to forget the facts that Ukrainians are fleeing the bombardment of their homes and sadly (a minute's silence for the profit & loss statement later) these "economic burdens" have to go somewhere.

In Ireland's case, the accountants on here who seem to demand a positive net present value from the arrival of refugees cite the housing crisis -- many I am sure with sincerity, and many with no sincerity at all.

But the housing crisis in Ireland goes far, far beyond the kind of scale of problem which Ukrainian refugees are going to tip over. As is oft repeated by David McWilliams -- we are a sparsely populated country with some of the most expensive property prices (not to mention high property vacancy rate despite current demand). That is a systemic issue - not one driven purely by the ebbs and flows of supply and demand. It is driven by policy that rewards property hoarding, un-entrpreneurial / non-innovative use of property portfolios and the exploitation and fear of change around all this by those who have profited from it. The systemic issue is one which is within our control. It is made by bad policy and can be unmade by good policy. But the war in Ukraine is not about policy. It is something different which requires a different appreciation of economics - one which is more willing to accept the negatives because that is the reality of war - it creates a hell of a lot more losers than it does winners.

The arrival of Ukrainian refugees brings logistic and financial difficulties - but it won't be those refugees who perpetuate the housing crisis, nor will not accepting them do anything to fix it.

If you had an issue with the facts you could refute but didn't, oddly you appear to have agreed partially with what I've said.

quite simply because they're White, not Brown

Because they are European. Pure Geography.

But Jesus you are obsessed by race. 😕

Thats nothing wait til they wake up and their spare bedroom has been closed due to "emergency powers" :)