Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Plus food I would think.

You cant cook in a hotel room, so food will be provided and paid for.

The Ukrainian refugees in centres such as Millstreet and the one in Roscommon are getting €203 per week and getting their food provided also plus they've no bills to pay either.

I used the word "Apparently" but am fully aware of what a room rate to include full meal service is.

Two hotels that I'm aware of are being paid €135.00 per day/night per room, that's assuming 2 occupants per room. That's €945.00 per week. Both hotels are 3 star, but I assume the no. of stars are not relevant in this instance.

Yes agreed and I used the word apparently, I'm sure there are discounted, Blocked booked rates etc but food costs and services also have to be factored in. But point taken.

Well, to be fair, I don’t quite see it as being beyond the realms of understandability that one would pre-emptively flee a coming invading army, nor do I think it to be a pre-requisite for showing compassion for a fleeing person that they must first have waited for a missile to hit their house before they up and leave. The logical alternative seems incredibly unrealistic — that a person should be expected to wait until the very last moment, literally as tanks trundle down their street, to be seen as validly fleeing a war (at which point, transport options might be exhausted and the road out increasingly dangerous).

And no, I’m not really championing feelings over facts — I’m simply restating the facts. The war in Ukraine is a fact. That people flee war is a fact. That those people have to go somewhere is a fact. That this presents difficulties and economic burden is a fact — but that those difficulties do not change the fact that something has to be done about the fact. It’s facts all the way here man, and just as well as one might say that facts shouldn’t care about your feelings, it’s equally true right now to say that the facts of war in Ukraine don’t care about the facts of the economic burden of refugees in Ireland. And the bottom-line fact remains that there isn’t really anything we can do about those facts that’s going to present the kind of net positive outcomes that some here seem to think we should demand from a crisis of war.

You're saying that I’m avoiding the economics but I’m addressing head-on the economic argument that seems to be at the forefront here — the housing crisis — and pointing out that this crisis runs far deeper than being materially affected on a long term basis by Ukrainian refugees. The housing crisis requires systemic overhaul in Ireland in respect of the power of the landowning class versus those who own little to none — from planning, to NIMBYism, to the hoarding of property etc etc. Admitting or not admitting Ukrainian refugees, while it may pose material short term issues (it will cost money, getting accommodation will be problematic), is not the primary long term material variable for the future of housing in Ireland.

That is not to hide the negative effect of refugees arriving in large number — but if you’re waiting for the thesis with the tidy planning, the cash flow charts, the logistical perfection of how Ireland deals with the unexpected invasion of a huge country of 44 million people in modern Europe then I don’t think you’re being as realistic as you might think.

I heard over the weekend that due to a bottleneck in vetting that only around 200 Irish families had taken in Ukrainian refugees so far.

Mad that this thread has nearly 1500 posts if that is true.

I imagine they chose it because of the shower facilities? Terrible to do that do the community though, especially with arklow being a small town

Problem is though that once you have given up your holiday home, you probably wont get it back if you want it back.

Wouldnt surprise me either if someone gave their spare room to a refugee but they didnt get on that they cant then get them moved on.

Its a total shambles.

Theyve done the same to property investment. Loose talk made the outlook too bleak that noone wants to enter the market except huge companies. Same now is going to happen with housing refugees. Ask for a guarantee that they will be moved within a few days if you dont get on with them. If you get that guarantee, in very clearly worded text, then go ahead with it. If you dont, stay well away. Imagine being stuck with someone you dont get on with in your own house and you cant get them to leave.

Imagine being stuck with someone you dont get on with in your own house and you cant get them to leave.

Why wouldn't you be able to get them to leave?