What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

supporting a party that flies a red star is the same as supporting one that flies a svastika.

Not going to quarrel with you Cordell over an interpretation of socialism, but if you ever get the chance to dip into the Irish national archives, they make for a fun read. It was just your mentioning of the svastika that reminded me of this one -

https://www.nationalarchives.ie/article/behind-scenes-swastika-laundry/

It had a significant part to play in Irish history, but as first world problems go, you think it’s bad now, in 1945 the owner suggested giving in to the women’s demands who were on strike, because he had been reduced to washing his own underpants -

The press was less sympathetic and speculated about the implications for public health if the dispute continued. For some employers, meanwhile, the consequences of strike went beyond the financial with a Mr Brenner of the Swastika Laundry in Ballsbridge reported to have advocated meeting the workers’ demands after having apparently been obliged to wash his own underpants.

https://womenworkersunion.ie/history/the-1945-laundry-strike/

But even the women then were no match for the women who were fighting for the right to vote back in 1912 -

Only two female suffragette prisoners imprisoned in Ireland were force fed. Mary Leigh and Gladys Evans were veterans of the English suffragette campaign and had travelled to Ireland to protest against Prime Minister Herbert Asquith, who was in Dublin in July 1912 to address a Home Rule meeting. Leigh and Evans were imprisoned for five years hard labour for throwing an axe at Asquith and for attempting to set fire to the Theatre Royal, where he was due to speak the following day. In the opinion of the authorities in Dublin Castle and the GPB, their sentence to hard labour prevented any opportunity for leniency, which had been granted to their fellow Irish suffragettes. This included any special treatment or subjection to force feeding. Whereas Irish female suffragettes on hunger strike were released once their health began to deteriorate, a decision was taken to force feed both Leigh and Evans.

Bit in bold, as you do like 😳

Mary Leigh had been subjected to force feeding while in prison in Birmingham. In a report sent to the prison authorities in Ireland, Ernest Hasler Helby, the former medical office in Birmingham Prison, outlined the treatment that she had been subjected to.

He also noted that Leigh was from a working class background and in his opinion was being used by the suffragette campaign, and in particular by members of the higher classes, to further their ends. He states ‘Leigh was one of the most difficult cases we have had to deal with, she is a most obstinate self-willed woman liable at times to outbreaks of violence at other times to be sullen & morose. She was not of the same social position to which many of her companions belonged and owing to the extremes to which she was willing to go, in what they term, forwarding their cause, she had been made much of by the leaders, which had flattered her vanity making her reckless of danger to her own health or even of her life’.

https://www.nationalarchives.ie/article/suffragettes-prison-conditions-ireland/

Bold emphasis should sound awfully familiar at this stage - the few among the upper classes leveraging the resentment felt by the lower classes, firing them up and using them for their own personal gain.

'It is one thing to have free immigration to jobs. It is another thing to have free immigration into welfare. And you cannot have both. If you have a welfare state [...] it is really an impossible thing'

Milton Friedman: 1978 What is America?

Communism is the end goal of Socialism. The goal of every Socialist is to inevitably implement full blown Communism.

Multiculturalism is the only thing that makes Ireland (or well, Dublin) bearable to live for me.

All the antisocial behaviour I've seen here in Dublin has been by native Irish and Traveller people. Compared to them us foreigners (I'm from the netherlands) are sweethearts.

All the properly edible food is from foreign stores. I prefer to shop at lidl and tesco as Dunnes Stores is too expensive and Supervalu's quality is just shite.

Yes I am an expat (i.e. an immigrant with some money) and yes I am taking up a rental that Irish people could have lived in. Yous want to be part of the EU so bad. What are yous gonna do about it .Yous could never ever deport me.

Been living here for almost 5 years now. I will never integrate in Irish culture I don't think, because the culture does not suit me at all. It's only based about drinking and sports like the GAA or the rugby which do not interest me in the least.

Sure trad music is fun but after 2 pints of guinness in the trad pub I am usually off to some place more fun.

In before people go like ' Foreigners don't talk like that ! He said ' yous' ! Oh no !!!'

Oh I love this sh1te, corrupt form of socialism, like everywhere and every time it was tried and failed miserably it was a corrupt form a socialism, not the true socialism. No man, that was THE socialism. The only one there is. It wasn't corrupt, it was pure :)

And what's funny is that a lot of the left leaning socialisms apologists will find themselves of the wrong side of socialism if ever comes to pass.

And what's funny is that a lot of the left leaning socialisms apologists will find themselves of the wrong side of socialism if ever comes to pass.

Everyone but the tiny minority of politicians in authority, will find themselves on the wrong side of socialism if it ever came to pass in Ireland.

It wouldn’t be just left, right or centrists who would find themselves in trouble, precisely because what you’re ignoring is the fact that ideologies themselves aren’t corrupt, they are corrupted by human greed - some people think it’s driven by power, and the incredible wealth is just one of those “oh how did all that cash get there” kind of things as if those in authority are benign leaders acting in the interests of the people.

Success for some, and to hell with everyone else, is generally the way these things go.

No an actual grasp of History got me. Plus watching Venezuela collapse in real time helped. Every collapsed Communist Country started out as Socialist.

Irish people are not a monolith, nor are any other people. But antisocial and criminal behaviour here in Dublin is dominated by ethnic Irish and not by foreigners.

Multiculturalism is the unavoidable consequence of having joined the EU. It is literally not something Ireland could avoid from happening. Yous could leave, but then all the expats paying loads of tax money like myself will instantly leave and then the Irish economy will be in ruin. But hey at least you can have an island all to yerselves.

Of course most crimes in IRELAND would be committed by IRISH people (who are 87% of the population.) What kind of a point is that ? Unfortunately we have recently seen multiple high profile violent crimes being committed by people who immigrated to Ireland.

You make a good argument for the Anti-EU crowd I'll give you that. Despite its failings I believe Ireland can reposition itself into more favourable policies within the EU, if we had the will at the higher political levels to do so of course and I hope that won't be too far off.

Not just AN island, OUR home.

The EUs free movement of people was a stupid idea,pure neoliberalism but they hold it up as some kind of triumph.

Was watching the rte news at 6 yesterday n they had a segment on the french election. The results weren't out at this point. They interviewed 4 separate people who had voted macron and they all explained why. (mainly to stop Le pen)

Was waiting to hear from Le pen supporters and their reasons but none were interviewed! Fairly balanced reporting from rte!