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Could you cook a MICHELIN style menu at home

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,730 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The food in the vast majority of cookbooks won't be the same as what's served in the restaurants. Both from a practicality perspective and also that the kit and techniques in a home kitchen are completely different

    Blumenthal (his various starred restaurants have their own head chefs of course) has done some cookbooks that do list the professional kitchen techniques. But some of those - the Perfection series connected ones at least - are not stuff you'd get a sniff of a star with!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 3,180 Mod ✭✭✭✭Black Sheep


    As said, a full tasting menu in most Michelin starred restaurants can amount to quite a lot of food. Individual courses are small, but if there's 8-12 courses that's irrelevant. If you go and have an a la carte lunch then maybe it's a possibility depending on how you order.

    People who scoff at fine dining are as entitled to their view as anyone else, but yeah, if I was going to come up with a shortlist of what I suspect is behind it in most cases:-

    • Reverse snobbery, sometimes reminds me of a bloke I knew who wasn't comfortable staying in nice hotels, he always had to stay in a kip, because he had this image of himself as being a 'working class lad'.
    • Inferiority complex tied up with ideas of class, palate and a nervousness about what a fine dining environment is like ... This one makes me sad, as people who try a fine dining restaurant will almost always find themselves made very welcome. I don't like the idea of being being put off by a perception that today's fine dining restaurants remain snooty or exclusive (Bar the odd exception)
    • Limited palate. I actually think this is a fair and reasonable issue. If you are a very fussy eater the reality is that a fine dining restaurant is not going to suit unless they have kindly put "safe" options in the a la carte menu. And in fairness, this being Ireland, many places do this. Martin Kajuiter used to be adept at doing this, when he was at the Cliff House. His tasting menu was the real fine dining experience, and his a la carte was chosen to cater to well-heeling Irish people who just wanted to come in and have a well-done steak, or a nice piece of fish, and get their vegetables on the side as usual.
    • Cost implications. I have a friend from Cavan and none of the above applies to him, and he has plenty of money, but he is never, ever going to put his hand in his pocket for the price of a tasting menu for two people. Sorry for perpetuating the stereotype about Cavan folks but I said what I said ;)

    I'm with "The Truth" on one thing though, I'm not an eel fan. I don't like little smoked cubes of it, I don't like bigger pieces of it, to me it's like vermin of the water, it's up there with salmon roe as a commonly used element in fine dining that I will pass to the missus and ask her to finish off for me.

    I partly trace this dislike back to eating in a tempura restaurant in Japan where part of the set menu was eel. We were sitting at a counter, and the chef reached into a vat of water and pulled a live eel out in front of us. He pinned it to a wooden block with a chisel, at the neck, and then the slit it open and boned it in front of us. Then into the batter and it was fried and served in about 4 minutes flat. I can still see it whipping around like a live electric wire!

    On the cookbooks thing: A lot of Michelin starred chefs' cookbooks are geared towards home cooking. To be honest I'd say a shocking number of them are ghost-written by other chefs and just get the nod from the celebrity after the fact. A great one for everyday cooking is Tom Kerridge's first book 'Proper pub food'. Within the culinary grasp of dads everywhere, I should think ;)

    But then there are others, as L1011 alludes to, you get the sense are intended as coffee table food porn, not anything intended to be cooked at home in reality.

    For those interested in that, a great book that does away with any pretence of being about more than food tourism is 'On the menu' by Nicholas Lander. A big book tracing the evolution of fine dining menus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,689 ✭✭✭notAMember


    That eel story is the memorable Asian food experience for me too. I still remember getting a bowl of soup, hot water really, into which live little fish were dropped. My Asian colleagues were delighted with catching them while still moving. I couldn’t watch the fish flap about.


    That being said, I do love smoked eel.


    OP, London is easy to get to. Think about a couple of these short courses in London. I’ve done a couple of these as a home cook , they’re only a few hours long and you come away with the right skills in a small area.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,165 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Eels are scarce now and fishing fie them commercially is banned si ce 2008.

    Please don't kill pike for the table, they are just beginning to recover from the slaughter during the Influx of foreign workers during the celtic tiger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭trashcan


    I wouldn’t exactly scoff at fine dining, but I can see why some people would think it over rated and a bit too much style over substance. I did one of those tasting menu things once, and while it was quite nice, it didn’t blow me away. Have had far nicer in a a good Indian or Thai restaurant.

    On the subject of eel, I’ve had it in sushi, called unagi, and it was delicious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,799 ✭✭✭✭The Hill Billy


    Dishes in Michelin-starred restaurants aren't prepared by individuals, they are created by teams of highly experienced chefs. I would sincerely doubt that even the most experienced chef could single-handedly serve up a meal to that standard.

    A non-professional in a home kitchen could put together a fantastic meal made from the best of ingredients, but it will not be to the standards of a Michelin-starred restaurant.





  • Well, generally there’s a team but each dish will be prepared (cooked anyway) by one chef not a few.

    Starters will be prepared by the starter section, mains by the main section, garnish etc etc

    so you could cook and plate a “Michelin” meal at home but honestly the labour involved would be so intensive for a home cook, by themselves, it wouldn’t be worth it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,659 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    I have changed my mind it would be better to do it simply with the best ingredients, so a lobster tail with butter then Tournedos Rossini followed by a cream brulee and a really good bottle of red wine. I might swap out the main for some monkfish and the first course for something truffle based with a very good chilled white wine.





  • Could do a goats cheese parfait with truffle honey? Very nice with mixed leaf salad and pickle veg!



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