Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

She is probably the worst Minister of Education in my lifetime.

That said the numbers are from a self audit from the schools themselves.

Acutely for primary which was a problem flagged before her time, the numbers are dwindling and will continue to do so.

All that information is readily available and has been linked to.

You're right, of course, about the disparity in exposure between the likes of Ireland and France.

Something worth a mention though is the difference in influence. If France were to change tack tomorrow, Ireland would be directly influenced very quickly. Like a small boat tied to a cruiseliner.

But as I said above, a personal example, the impact of excessive people arriving into the country is rapidly having impact, in that case exclusion from educational opportunity for teenagers. It's been happening for years but people have been under the "slow boil cannibal pot" with not noticing too much. Now it's in their face.

It's only headed one direction anyway, slow or fast, an uprising against the squandering of younger Irish/french/German/european peoples lives for sake of property inflation and virtuous garbage. It's going to be nasty, but what other way could it have ever ended? Provocation meets reaction.

....once again, our property issues have existed for well over a decade now, but this war is only a couple of months old, so.......

Over a decade? 10 years ago property prices had dropped 60% and we were in the middle of an IMF bailout so had no scope for spending.

yes, our property supply issues were noted at the height of the previous crash, particularly in the dublin region, so yes, this is going on over 10 years now, and has been steadily worsening since, largely due to policy, its important to once again state what ultimately caused the crash, financial sector crash!

They are already coming Kaiden Sticky Manic. 65 Ukrainians are housed at a hotel less that 600 metres from me, mostly women and children. 18 of the total did not come directly from Ukraine but from Spain. One of the 18 told (naively perhaps) of poor living conditions in Spain, over 500 living in a huge indoor sports arean, no privacy etc. Thanks to friends who had just arrived in Ireland 2 weeks previouly they got the lowdown of living conditions here and what particulary attracted them was the generous welfare benefits, child benefits and other benefits like healthcare, education etc. so they packed their bags again and landed here. The Nigerians migrants who arrive here (posing as refugees) call Ireland...Treasure Ireland for a reason ! I'm sure the Ukrainians agree. To be fair to the Ukrainians they are an industrious people and have a work ethic so if given the opportunity (and not spoiled by our over generous welfare system) they, in time, will make a contribution to the economy.

This is it, the spiralling of inequality begins.

And don't forget, everything trickles down. So an Irish student that got enough points for a local college is then pushed out by a student who otherwise would have been elsewhere. So on and so forth. Resentment builds across the spectrum, rightfully.

Tell an 18 year old to go out and get a part time job to help, the appropriate jobs are soaked up by 30 year old foreign "students". Again, spiralling.

Then they'll be told they're "too lazy" and entitled, that young Irish people don't want to work. Ridiculous. They may have the normal naivety of teenagers, but they aren't thick to what's in front of them.

A quick glance at the youth unemployment figures in this country is shocking. But then the mantra is "we need all these foreign people to prop up the economy".

It's one damned contradiction after another, one hypocrisy after another. Lies, essentially.

Well, these people won't forget, that's for sure. Time ticks down.

Rental and property have been steadily increasing, but not even having the availability of student campus accomodation is taking the proverbial, don't you think? For Ukraine people to be facilitated to the detriment of our young people....there's no denying it was a sh1t show the last number of years, but now? Could you tell me how local authorities will move Ukrainians from college campus accomodation in September when the new term starts? Or will it be left to students and us parents to seek accomodation out of campus, owned by landlords who can charge what they want, if they haven't their properties filled with Ukrainians already?

As I said before, I've no issue with any person from any country seeking refuge here. We have a lot going for it. But ffs, we are literally being stepped on and will pay for this both social and economically for decades at the rate we're going. Ukrainians must think they've landed in Monte Carlo as they've been handed so much, without knowing that we were in serious trouble before they came.

Government will do 'everything' it can to help Ukrainian refugees arriving in Ireland, says Taoiseach

As for people, especially younger people, leaving the country, it's rife.

Ask any nursing student or medical student what the general plans of their class are when they qualify, you'll hear the same story again and again. They're leaving immediately, or very soon afterwards. Entire classes.

Why? Because it's unaffordable to live here, wages are better elsewhere, etc. But why?

So, chicken and egg scenario developed. Lots of non-european medical staff arrived to fill the void, or else the arrival of non-european staff created the void. Either way, the proof in the pudding is that they undercut the Irish students/enable shittier conditions to persist.

And then comes hypocrisy number 107, "but we need them to keep the hospitals running!". No, the reality is they are used to undercut Irish medical staff, undercut conditions, and you get what you pay for. Not the best, in other words. Our best are gone.

Younger Irish people are being deprived to pump property prices, they are missing educational opportunities, the few that can leave are leaving because of the pumped property prices yadda yadda, but the majority are, with a finger on the pulse, seething away here. It's like the nose on your face, you can't pretend it's not there, not forever.

It's coming down the line.

Ireland is becoming less and less attractive for these MNCs. When google and Meta are complaining about staff accomodation issues it's not a good look.

2021 was the highest creation of direct employment by MNCs on record. - during a pandemic. More than half went to regional locations, MNCs are adapting.

Accommodation issues are not unique to Ireland as much as people like to pretend it is.

I posted this question in another thread earlier but its also relevent to this conversation.

We are assuming that all Ukranians coming into Ireland are poor. Some of them had very good jobs in the Ukraine so surely some of them have money and should be able to fund their needs. Do they not have access to their bank accounts?

I know they have left their belongings behind etc and do need some help but are the government being mugs providing everything even though its possible some of these people are rich.