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  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭Ahorseofaman




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Ha ha. One of the things about the Swiss is they don’t give a shît about what other countries think. They just go about enjoying their high standard of living, low tax etc. In contrast to countries like Ireland and NZ where the population is always worrying about the impression they make on outsiders. To a Swiss person you can go blue in the face making the remarks you make, they’ll just shrug and go back to minding their own business.

    NB: Swiss watch business is booming post-Covid. You should buy some shares.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭combat14


    strong words from poland about european energy and food security:


    Polish PM accuses Russia of ‘direct attack’ by cutting gas supplies

    Poland’s prime minister, Mateusz Morawiecki, has called Russia’s halt of gas deliveries “a direct attack” on Poland.

    Speaking in Poland’s lower house of parliament, the Sejm, Morawiecki said Russia has pushed the boundaries of its “gas imperialism” and accused Moscow of attacking the European economy through inflationary measures.

    He sought to reassure lawmakers that Poland has enough gas in storage, adding:

    Russia not only carried out a brutal, murderous attack on Ukraine... but Russia also attacked all of Europe’s energy security and food security.

    It is a direct attack on Poland... We’ll deal with this blackmail, this pistol to the head in such a way that it doesn’t affect Poles.

    Poland will not need Russian gas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Russia will go broke… if putin fuccks with peoples (everybody’s) money they will hang him. You can only make so many enemies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,516 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Educate a simpleton. If Ukraine have gear there now that can fire accurate missiles and things a good distance, including into Russia itself, how come they aren't dismantling the troops surrounding Mariupol and other similar congregations knocking around the country?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    The company have already said they have the Gepards ready to roll and they were waiting on being allowed to send them to Ukraine



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Ouch!

    The Ukrainian view: 'They do not need to fight, just give the pigs weapons.'

    If you are of a sensitive disposition, don't watch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,908 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    If anything he was probably knocked out before it rolled over him. The tree knocked him clean out when it flipped up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Well I'm glad you think so, but my understanding is that they do have concerns about their relationship with the EU and how much that continues to seriously deteriorate due to the Swiss annoying proclivity for wanting their cake and eating it too, which the EU has been very patient with but has had a gutful of now.

    PS: What sort of dividend do Swiss watch companies pay out? With some experince of Swiss financial institutions, I'd be pleasantly surprised to find a Swiss company that would actually part with funds rather than maintain their usual attitude that you owe them a living and be grateful if they let you fork out to maintain their accustomed living standards and high opinion of their self-worth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭ronivek


    The Swiss are blocking transfers of Swiss-made 35mm ammunition; not the Gepards themselves.

    So the question is whether there are sufficient stocks of non-Swiss NATO 35mm ammunition available to Ukraine or not. There is for example a company from Norway who seemingly manufacture such ammo:




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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What were they even trying to do?! And shur, not a high viz jacket betwixt them. Still, probably not going to feature on Harry Hill.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Any idea why only Poland and Bulgaria have had supplies cut for failure to pay in rubbles whilst Germanys energy watchdog says gas supply there is guaranteed? https://finance.yahoo.com/news/germanys-energy-watchdog-says-gas-110257689.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,908 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    It appears from my not so keen eye that they were trying to push the front vehicle out of a rut. It was probably stopping everything behind it from advancing. So they put a tree in the back door to act as as a blocker between the rear tank and the vehicle in front so they didn't destroy the back door of the front vehicle with the force of the tank behind


    Unfortunately for him the tank has a tappered edge and pushed the log upwards and out . And the driver doesn't know when to get off the gas



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,948 ✭✭✭circadian


    Never dawned on me that not standing clear of a tank while holding a tree log at the height of the tank would be dangerous. Imagine that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I'm sure every Ukrainian Stugna-P unit approves heartily of your hi-viz jacket idea



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭ronivek


    They haven't been given any long-range missiles or artillery as such.

    Depending on which particular version of artillery they've received, and what types of charges; there's potential to reach 50-60km with the most expensive rounds. They're not likely to have many of those artillery pieces or shells (if they even have any at all).

    In any case they already have some artillery pieces which can fire up to 50km so in terms of range; so none of the new stuff would be giving them much extra reach.

    As for unblocking Mariupol that would need a ground assault which just isn't feasible. Or the kind of aerial bombardments even Russia isn't really capable of delivering.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,883 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Do you have any thoughts (assuming you are not expecting the poster to have a direct line to the Kremlin or Putin's brain etc!?).

    As for your link, referring to Germans saying supply is "guaranteed" right now, probably that will hold for some period of time even if Russia cuts them off completely tomorrow. They are also "monitoring the situation closely"...!

    Would say (myself) that Russia are working mischief here, trying to make splits in the EU by selecting particular countries to cut off while still keeping most of the foreign currency earnings. Germany and Italy are 2 very large gas consumers I read this morning on BBC update page about this news. So they would leave them till the end.

    They know the EU will not be buying their energy at some point in the near future (how near is the question) + is working away to speed this process up so maybe it will make sense for them to forgo some earnings and use the considerable leverage they have now to maximise dissention in the EU or economic disruption, rather than waiting for countries to wean themselves off their gas/oil supplies.

    edit: typos and added a point.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Seems American and Russia has had a prisoner exchange today a US marine held in Moscow is been returned to the US while a Russian pilot held in the states(Drugs) is Been sent back to Russia



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Simple question to poster did they have additional information from German authorities or other sources as I haven't been able to find anything definitive despite a search. Nothing to do with Putins brain or lack thereof 😄

    Only thing I definitely know is that the German government have been deliberately dragging its heals over the Russian oil and gas issue.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭ronivek


    My understanding is that certain EU countries are paying into special bank accounts; and these bank accounts facilitate the conversion of dollars or euros or whatever to rubles.

    Supposedly the EU has stated these accounts violate sanctions but according to Bloomberg some EU countries/companies are using them:

    Ten European companies have already opened the accounts at Gazprombank needed to meet Russia’s payment demands, the person said. 

    Supplies to Poland and Bulgaria were cut off after they refused Gazprom’s proposed mechanism for ruble payments, which the gas giant says does not violate European Union sanctions, according to the person.

    As for why Germany's supply is guaranteed I presume it's because Russia isn't willing to sacrifice its largest customers yet. Assuming Germany isn't one of the countries mentioned by Bloomberg I suppose.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,059 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Russia's use of oil & gas supply restrictions to exert leverage was entirely predictable. And legitimate given that the EU and other states have put a variety of sanctions on Russia that restrict their economy.

    Question is what price is the EU is prepared to pay to face down Putin's regime. There are arguments for playing it bit by bit, balancing needs as against just pulling out all together, taking a huge hit and really facing down Russia. Probably will do neither one thing or the other and just have the worst of both outcomes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Assuming Germany isn't one of the countries mentioned by Bloomberg I suppose.

    I reckon we can assume. You hit the nail on the head there

    Just found this. Looks like Germany and Russia have found a convenient workaround which means neither Scholz nor Putin have to lose face

    Germany has confirmed it will continue to pay for Russian gas in euros or dollars, following a call between Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Russian President Vladimir Putin last night...


    In a phone call between the leaders, Putin reportedly said payments could be made in euros and transferred to Gazprom bank, which would convert the money into roubles.


    More about it here

    The German chancellor, Olaf Scholz, said he expects his country will continue to be able to pay for Russian gas in euros from Friday, after Vladimir Putin signed a decree threatening to enforce rouble payments from “unfriendly countries” and raising fears Moscow could be about to throttle gas supplies.

    Energy contracts between Germany and Russia stipulated payments in euros, sometimes in dollars, Scholz said at a press conference in Berlin on Thursday, shortly after the Kremlin announced Putin had signed the decree. “In a conversation with the Russian president I have stated clearly that this will stay that way.”

    The German gas payments in euros would be converted into roubles by Russia’s Gazprombank, German media reported on Thursday, based on the government’s understanding of the process. The Kremlin’s decree is formulated in such a way as to allow authorised banks to convert foreign currency in the payment process, as long as customers sign up to new conditions that include the opening of a rouble account.

    Would make you wonder which side Scholz would come with if the **** really hit the fan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,680 ✭✭✭eire4


    Yes there are already in place various qualified as they call it voting majorities needed for various policy areas. As you say there though some of those majorities are very high thresholds and that is almost the equivalent of a veto. Plus there are some major areas such as taxation policy that are subject fully to an individual countries veto power. Look at how Luxembourg has blocked so far an EU financial transaction tax there as an example. Other areas where a veto is still in effect are the EU budget and look here how Hungary and Poland's governments have used the threat of a veto there to stop for a long time the EU trying to reign in the democratic backsliding of the 2 countries governments. Also there is social security/protection, Common foreign and defense policy and this is an area in light of Russian's invasion of Ukraine which is very much to the fore right now, as well as the accession of new members and police co-operation.


    No question one of the key positives of the EU is that as you say its a partnership of equals which prevents bigger countries like say Germany and France just running roughshod over everyone and in particular protects the smaller countries including Ireland in that regard and that is important and should stay. But IMHO there should be no areas of veto power. There can be areas where the threshold is very high say 80-90%. For me the current areas of remaining veto power as above should be moved to qualified voting in the 80-90% range so that it still protects smaller states but conversely it stops just one state stopping something on purely selfish grounds that everyone else supports.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,059 ✭✭✭✭Furze99





  • Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    The Swiss have a weird kinda cuckoo like moral concept on conflict zones.

    Supplying arms into conflict zones is bad and not allowed.

    Taking loot i.e. stolen gold and money from conflict zones is ok and damn well encouraged.

    Both enable a conflict and help continue the carnage.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,031 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Speaking of oil I wonder who supplied our friends in Orwell Road I heard them say they got their delivery .



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,204 ✭✭✭✭Grayson




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭Economics101


    I still don't get the fuss about paying Vlad in Roubles. He needs $ and €, and whether he get them directly from Western importers or indirectly via intermediate banks (who exchange $ and € into Roubles with which to pay Vlad) makes little difference. Vlad might look on it as a sign of strength if he appears to be paid in Roubles, but if so, then his financial incompetence matches his military incompetence.

    So pay him his useless Roubles and move on, unless you want to stop importing Russian gas entirely.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭ronivek


    By the way for those who were questioning whether Ukraine had TB2s left there have been at least two confirmed shot down inside Russian territory over the past few days:

    Unfortunate to see them shot down but it probably explains at least a few of the mysterious fires and explosions inside Russia recently; Ukraine might even happily trade a $2 million drone to blow up some key Russian logistics targets.



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