Better Call Saul Spoilers

Penn · 27-04-2022 1:30pm

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1. I think he maybe sliced Bolsa a little in the leg. He got the glass in the room where he met with Gus and Mike before leaving. I think it was either a glass Gus threw in anger in the previous episode, or maybe Nacho broke a glass himself without them knowing. So Nacho found a shard and took it. You can see his hand bleeding when he's kneeling on the ground beside Bolsa, because he was using the glass to cut the cable tie.

2. I think the shot with the glass in the desert at the start of the episode, but some time after (as it was covered in dirt) and filmed from a different angle to not show the house in the background.

ILikeBoats · 27-04-2022 1:34pm

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He dropped a piece of glass which looked like the piece in the opening but as you said, it seemed like a different location

Penfailed · 27-04-2022 2:30pm

I love this thread. You guys pick out details and connections that I'd never spot. I'm glad I watched the third episode last night before dipping back in here. I'd have been gutted to hear Nacho was a goner before actually seeing it. I'm gutted he's gone. Great character. Great episode. Great TV!

NickNickleby · 27-04-2022 2:34pm

Just watched it again there. Its worse when you know what's coming, and you know that Nacho knows too. Mike's face, I think he was thinking of his own son.

I do have one question about Mike's role here. How the hell could he shoot ANYONE at that meeting? Surely anything like that will bring suspicion straight down on Gus.

Isn't that the same location where they shot the van driver, with Mike looking on though the telescopic sight? Where Mike had intended to take out Hector, and probably would still love to.

Michael Mando's acting was stupendous, even down to the way he almost deflates as he decides "Now!" I wonder were there any tears? (there nearly were in the Nickleby household 😥😊).

Final thought on this, Muahahaha posted a great piece above. I think Michael Mando was right, Nacho and especially that episode will live on in Pop Culture.

ButtersSuki · 27-04-2022 4:16pm

Spoiler - I sadly guessed what was going to happen from the opening credits where you hget the "warning: contains drug use etc." It contained the word "suicide".

ButtersSuki · 27-04-2022 4:18pm

Mike wasn't going to take out Nando - he was there in case "things went south" with the others (Salamancas et al). Victor was going to take out Nacho when he ran - when he ran. This was discussed.

ButtersSuki · 27-04-2022 4:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118983215#Comment_118983215

As above, that wasn't the paln.

27-04-2022 4:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118984551#Comment_118984551

Yeah, that was a pretty big spoiler to give away as a "trigger warning". Completely unnecessary.

ButtersSuki · 27-04-2022 4:57pm

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I suppose they have to do it - issue the warning - but it's just unfortunate.

gormdubhgorm · 27-04-2022 5:19pm

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118984722#Comment_118984722

Jayus I did not twig that. I find it amusing that modern convention warnings on everything and anything for a small minority. Can ruin entertainment for the majority. Yet the majority are pressured by a myriad of vested interest groups.

Warnings far better served at end credits with helpline etc.

-=al=- · 27-04-2022 5:23pm

Damn that I’m was intense and really tied the last episode together. Almost sad after all he’s been through!

Great episode. Best thing tv I’ve seen in a long long time. Get Michael Mando an award for that

gormdubhgorm · 27-04-2022 5:27pm

I cannot take credit for theory. It was in a YouTube video about s6 e3.

It is that Mike and Nacho had a plan. As Mike said to himself ‘go on do it’ when he was looking through the gun scope. Plus Mike was not surprised until Nacho went ‘off script’ and shot himself.

Any credence to this theory?

Penn · 27-04-2022 5:42pm

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I don't think Mike and Nacho had a plan. Nacho was supposed to try make a run for it with his hands still cable-tied and one of Gus' goons would have shot him, so when Nacho got free of the cable tie and had Bolsa by the throat instead, Mike was hoping he'd kill Bolsa, in which case Mike would have taken out the Salamancas.

I don't think it was planned, but Mike was just prepared to take out the Salamancas to save Nacho at that point. It would have been easier for Gus to explain to Eladio that he delivered Nacho to Bolsa and the Salamancas but whoever Nacho was working with must have gunned them down and rescued Nacho after Gus left.

That's my own theory on it anyway.

Mad_maxx · 27-04-2022 5:49pm

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that is what i thought of too , the first series where Gus left a note for mike " dont do it "

same location and Mike in same elevated position

bit of a plot hole alright on Mike taking out someone and aftermath had it comes to pass , had Mike taken out anyone , surely the twins would have both took after him and also suspected Gus ?

johnny_ultimate · 27-04-2022 5:50pm

In general I find the main Jimmy & Kim side of things more interesting than the various cartel goings-on, but it was a wise decision to give so much of this episode's running time over to the latter. Once again it's the 'spacious' nature of the storytelling that impresses in BCS - that scene where Nacho hid is precisely the sort of scene other shows would show in a very different way. Here, you have a few unbroken minutes of silence and tension - so much more effective because it's given that generous storytelling space.

This was a pretty short episode by the series standards, but as ever I always feel very satisfied by how episodes are almost always pieces of individual storytelling as well as another chapter in a serialised story. Of course I want to know what happens next, but I very rarely finish up an episode of BCS feeling short-changed. If anything, it's a show uncommonly well-served by a weekly release schedule and would lose some of its magic if all episodes were dumped at once or binged.

Mad_maxx · 27-04-2022 5:53pm

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the Jimmy and Kim plot is a complete side show , deeply uninteresting compared to Mike , Gus and the cartel

J. Marston · 27-04-2022 5:58pm

"You think of me, you twisted fúck."

Yes, Nacho, yes!

I didn't think anyone could match Julia Garner's rage at the end of Ozark this season but Nacho did.

Penn · 27-04-2022 6:05pm

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It's certainly less exciting and far more understated, but in terms of character work I think the Jimmy and Kim side of things is great, and has led to a lot of the best scenes. Kim especially, I'm far more interested in what happens to her now than anyone else in the show (now that Nacho is brown bread).

It's the curse of knowing the fates of almost all the characters on the cartel side of things. Nacho and Lalo were the big unknowns from that, and now Nacho is gone. All we know about post-BB is the few scenes of Saul/Gene we've gotten.

johnny_ultimate · 27-04-2022 7:03pm

I don’t find the cartel stuff uninteresting or anything like that. And you can’t really divorce it from everything else as it’s a show that is so carefully crafted - the moving pieces always come together.

But if I had one small criticism of the show on the whole it’s that sometimes it veers towards being ‘Breaking Bad, Again’ in some of the cartel storylines - especially as they’ve introduced more and more familiar characters in extended roles in the later seasons. There’s somewhat of a limit to the drama that can be wrung out of Gus or the twins since we know where they end up.

I think they’ve gotten away with it due to the sheer quality of the show (and Breaking Bad is really bloody good in the first place), but it’s the Jimmy and Kim - and Chuck and Howard etc - side of things that has let the show grow into completely its own thing, with a distinctive tone, bold storytelling decisions and more nuanced characterisations. It’s one of the greatest TV shows for that very reason IMO.

I should stress some of the cartel stuff has been bloody magnificent, such as this episode. And the whole ‘building the lab’ stuff was a delight.

Eduard Khil · 27-04-2022 7:16pm

There was only one gold throne in that house montage no pan to another also the very visible and overtly placed boxes of Viagra lead me to think Jimmy is not in a monogamous relationship with anyone.

Kim definitely is not with Saul at the end if I had to guess Jimmy gets Kim a deluxe vacuum when they end up in over their heads later in the season or she runs off with Howard or Lalo after turning on Saul.

gormdubhgorm · 27-04-2022 8:39pm

Found this funny skit/Sketch/Promo on Jimmy McGill. Includes a few of the actors in character.

https://youtu.be/uX_Hwr_ZCic

seraphimvc · 27-04-2022 8:55pm

completely by chance this popped up today on my feed (that i have watched this clip for like 10times by now ha):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N723si1wAG8&ab_channel=BreakingBad%26BetterCallSaul

and ya i went on a bit of chasing Mike parts of season 1 and 2 - and oh god when i see the early interactions of Mike and Nacho. The feels 😥 (S2E2)

De Bhál · 27-04-2022 10:39pm

Collie D · 27-04-2022 11:05pm

I’m guessing Nacho got the piece of glass from the room he was being held in. Gus broke a glass in previous episode which at the time I wondered why it was so relevant to show him cleaning it up.

kirk. · 28-04-2022 7:35am

Was amazing tv as I thought previously

The Gus end scene seems a little unrealistic or simplistic looking back.Like hector was going to buy this story about the 'chicken man' not involved.

Snake Plisken · 28-04-2022 8:17am

Great episode again. One thing that worries me is that if I was Hector and I heard Nacho had put me in a wheelchair. I would certainly destroy Nachos father for revenge. I'm thinking this might still happen. Also Kim when she said to Jimmy about be being a Cartel friendly lawyer or a Rat clearly guiding Jimmy not to take the deal on the table.

When I think back to the opening scene with the beautiful Blue desert flower where it transpires he dies ,the piece of glass and the storm it now makes sense what happened there and is like dedication to Nacho that he was a good and pure character in the end.

artvanderlay · 28-04-2022 8:42am

I thought Nacho might have made it out alive given Saul's references to him in BB. I was hoping Mike would have gotten the order to kill Nacho but secretly helped him escape, to make up for his own son's death and also as a f. u. to Gus for getting him to kill Werner. They could have had some scheme with Saul to get Nacho safe and **** Lalo at the same time maybe involving the bail money. Alas it has not come to pass!

Penn · 28-04-2022 9:01am

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I doubt they'd go after Nacho's father. There's no point after Nacho is dead other than pure anger, but I think that anger will instead just be directed at trying to prove it was Gus who orchestrated the whole thing. Hector and Lalo already suspect him anyway.

EltonJohn69 · 28-04-2022 9:41am

Great episode but they should have given Nacho a sex scene, flashback or dream/fantasy ?

gormdubhgorm · 28-04-2022 10:25am

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Wasn’t Hector set on using Nacho’s father’s business as a cover or something. Gave him money but his father refused. Then Nacho wanted his father and himself to leave. But again his father refused.

I remember Nacho describing his father as law abiding etc. No way he would turn. And Nacho ‘switched the meds’ to prevent Hector from killing his father.

So taking all that into consideration. Mike will have a real fight to protect Nacho’s father?

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