Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Skimming over some of the details, read about it here...

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/ukrainian_refugees_in_ireland/supports_for_ukrainians_in_ireland.html

PPS numbers are applied for at the airport then and there once you show a valid Ukrainian identification or "other identification". You also apply there and then for all social welfare, including childrens allowance.

Childcare (up to 15 years old) is fully paid for under a sponsorship programme?

"If you have been granted Temporary Protection, the NCS can cover the full cost of childcare under NCS sponsorship arrangements. Your local County Childcare Committee on www.myccc.ie can direct to the appropriate NCS sponsor."

There's a lot of information, but if this whole thing isn't prime pluckings for abuse, nothing ever will be. "Are you from Ukraine, cross your fingers? Okay, here's everything."

Free to work straight away as if an eu citizen. And so on, and people are thinking they're going to waltz on home afterwards? Not a snowballs.

But never mind that, never mind that they aren't part of the EU, the sheer egregious nature of handing stuff out left, right and centre that many Irish people could only wish for is just, well, egregious.

It's not about begrudging this latest cohort of people, it's the blinding light it casts on the Irish system for Irish people. Mental, absolutely mental.

Which means you should be skeptical. But anyway it's your own choice if you want to swallow the things the msm say.

The refugees were flown into Belarus, it resulted in no more new plane leases issued to them. It’s not tinfoil hat stuff. It was intentional to make a crisis. In retrospect it’s pretty obvious why.

Well yeah. What's your point? 😕

Follow the logic Potatoeman.

You believe that Putin manufactured a refugee crisis via Belarus on the Polish border in order to destabilize democracies.

That effort was repelled by razor wire and riot police.

So today, isn't it not a case whereby Putin has also created a refugee crisis via Ukraine on the Polish border? (in order to destablize democracies again?)

And this time, we are letting them all in!

Wouldn't the logical thing to do, is to repel the refugees with razor wire and riot police again?

Why?

The only arguments put forward against it so far are irrational fears and rancid begrudgery.

Neither are a solid reasons to dictate any sort of policy I'm sure you'd agree?

But most of the refugees are already being hosted in Eastern Europe. It seems only a relatively small percentage have gone further than that. Almost 3 million are in Poland alone (which is an enormous burden), 800k are in Romania; 642k are in Russia, 508k are in Hungary, 364k in Slovakia and 25k in Belarus etc. Now it's all well and good to say right let's all get together and chuck money at these countries so they can build great refugee camps -- but you're also then more or less advocating the foisting of the very same problems on those countries that you are advocating avoiding here. It's not just a question of pumping money into it and building refugee infrastructure, there's the whole universe of socioeconomic issues inherent in dealing with a huge number of people suddenly arriving (issues which I presume you would quickly acknowledge if a million refugees were sent to Ireland with flowery promises from other western nations that Ireland would be given all it needs to handle them).

As for building all these towers you mention, they sound like a good idea in theory but it seems to me that there are two pretty significant risks: (1) even with the best intentions we end up with what eventually becomes Ireland's answer to Seine-Saint-Denis in the Parisian banlieues and (2) you are more or less advertising Ireland as a place which can fling up whatever needs to be flung up to accomodate large influxes of people -- which I'm presuming might be counterintuitive for your purposes.

Don't get me wrong -- if something like that was done well, planned well, resourced well and looked after then it might be great. But if it descends into what becomes little more than a ghetto -- then you're stuck with it. It might work in some parts of the world where one day the whole place can just be razed to the ground and if one doesn't like being told to go elsewhere one can go do to themselves what normally happens between consenting adults in the bedroom -- but in the Western world that's a harder play. Personally -- while I do think there is a hell of a lot of value in thinking innovatively about how the response to the Ukrainian refugee issue can also feed into how we address the housing crisis, the tower block idea as a two-birds-one-stone solution seems a little too short-termist to me.

People have issues with the numbers being banded about for Ireland and how it will impact Irish people. Most people have no issue with a manageable number. Not getting full social welfare, medical cards and homes before Irish people.

The distance is relevant, resources are not infinite. Same cultures are not compatible with western values.

That's a wrap folks, the diligent research of this poster has discovered only a single case of unfairness. Time to go home.

Speaking of homes, I remember you declaring your comfiness with your own home and children set up and sipping tea with refugees as a hobby. How many spare bedrooms have you got, now that the children are out of the way, and how many ukrainians are you putting up?

There are also refugees that drove here, from towns that haven't been touched by the war.

Am not impressed

To be honest if I was his father I'd be less impressed that almost a year out of college he is still unemployed.

That's probably the Ukrainians fault too.

I have no issues with Ukranians driving here. I think they should be subject to the same checks and procedures as others