Mayo GAA Discussion

Is there a defined path for the Qualifiers or is it an open draw?

The break could be a blessing....surely we'll have a few back and hopefully a few more back up to speed properly.

Did Mullin twang the same hamstring again? I thought he was a bit subdued before he went off tbh

I had that thought about the end of Joe Schmidt's reign also, definitely felt stale yesterday

Hit and miss at times, rocky start to the second half with a lot of silly errors on handling and distribution, but way more good than bad so positive overall. Enough glimpses of magic to make you hopeful of progression to u20 and senior in time.

Ronan Clarke and Niall Hurley together up top looked fantastic, real touch of class from both there. Excited to see how they go against a tighter marker or more defensive system from a Galway or Roscommon.

Wing forwards Cathal Keavney and Diarmuid Duffy absolutely worked their socks off. Some huge turnovers defensively when Leitrim were trying to mount a comeback (especially Cathal) and did a great job surging forward to support the lads up top too (especially Diarmuid who managed to get on the end of a move and toe poke a goal too).

Rio Mortimer at the back had some incredible interceptions. Looked like an experienced old hand just stepping into where the danger was likely to come and snuffing it out. Hard to believe he was u16 still. Took a couple of big physical hits, once or twice late ones, and brushed them off like nothing so very reminiscent of his dad at times. The full back from Mitchels, John MacMonagle, had a stormer. Always in the right spot especially during the patch we were a bit rocky around the middle.

Lads off the bench looked decent too so imagine be plenty of competition over the few games. Given Galway's fairly convincing result against Roscommon we'll have a better idea where we stand on Friday but for a first glimpse at them it looked decent.

Cheers.... actually listened to a couple of podcasts earlier so I think I got my head around it now.

Avoiding an Ulster team would be nice...I guess the likes of Cork, Clare and Kildare would be easier on paper

disagree with this, i think the decision to take a point was the only right decision made yesterday. Fair play to Cillian for having the cajones for backing himself. if aiden orme didnt take a shot in the dark, it would have gone to XT and with momentum our way, could have snatched a win. Not sour grapes, but i 100% expect roscommon to beat galway. its insane that jevin Mc was left on the side line for as long as he was.

He was correct to take the point. In the case that you were referring to in Croke Park, as far as I know, the ref blew the whistle straight away after the kick out - the time had actually expired. And, again maybe my memory is misleading me - but I think that Cillian has commented on this a few times since - that the Ref gave misleading info that day - that Cillian understood from the ref that there would be another small bit of time. But turns out there wasn't. Anyway, I could be mistaken about the specifics there. But yesterday, they had far better chance of hoping to get a point in the last minute, then belting in a hit and hope for a goal. Galway won the kickout, but Mayo still managed to get it back, and get up for an equalising shot. Don't know what rush of blood Orme got when he got the ball, but it was an awful choice to make. Ref was never going to blow it up as long as Mayo had the ball anywhere within the 45 metre line - especially with the time wasting that Galway did in the last 10 mins. He should have worked it back. Try to stretch the Galway back line, and then bank on Cillian, Kevin Mc or Ryan O'Donoghue getting the ball with a little bit of space to get a decent punt at goal. But hopefully he will learn from that.

It didn't work out in the end, but still the correct choice to make by Cillian all day long.

Correct choice from both Cillian & Orme IMO - we can't complain about the endless recycling of ball and also complain when the likes of Orme takes on the responsibility

Agreed. At one stage with a couple of minutes left we broke quickly down the stand side and got it into the inside forwards but they got held up and the ball went backwards, there was a lad in front of me giving out about why the forward didn't take the shot on. The same buck was giving out that Orme took on his shot from a better position. They can't win, kick it and miss and you're a bollix, recycle it and you're a bollix.

FWIW I've seen Orme kick that exact same point a lot and almost always kick it. He took it on in the league final and missed and missed again yesterday. I'd still prefer to have a full forward back himself in that position. You want your scorers being the ones to take on that shot.

I'm talking about last year's victory alone. I admire Tyrone for getting the absolute maximum of their resources, they are truly a team in the sense that they are greater than the sum of their parts. However, they were aided greatly in 2021 by meeting an indifferently-prepared and coached Kerry team who literally missed open goals and had their best player retire injured later on when he was practically winning the game on his own. In addition they had the great fortune of not meeting Dublin in the final, whom they would surely not have a hope of beating. Throw in bad goalkeeping by Hennelly and the missed penalty and you have to see how they got every break going.

Cant blame Orme, have to ask what does Ciaran Mc Donald bring to the team? No plan B in evidence, no movement inside, just too static.

17 minutes of the second half without a score says it all.

By my understanding the provincial SFs have no particular significance; if a div 1/2 team loses at that stage they go into the qualifiers, while a div 3/4 team enters the Tailteann.

So all things being equal there should be eight div 1/2 teams in round 1 of the qualifiers, and the four winners play the four provincial final losers.

The only potential Spaniard in the works is if a div 3/4 team makes their provinicial final. Then logically you would have nine qualifier teams and hence the need for a prelim. Not sure how the unlucky duo would be chosen though; guessing drawn from among qf losers.

Lower league teams with the potential to muck things up: Cavan, Westmeath and (most likely IMO) Tipperary

The provincial SF losers have a significance because D3/4 teams won't be in that round of the qualifiers.

So say Sligo and Leitrim lose, now you have a qualifier round with only 6 teams in it that needs to be filled to 8. So Armagh, Tyrone/Derry, Louth/Kildare, Clare/Limerick and Mayo needs to be whittled down to 2, so in that scenario its two rounds of qualifiers before the beaten semi-finalists are back in.

Of course there could be more than those five teams in the first round of the qualifiers depending on how the remaining provincial QFs go.

A D3/4 team making the provisional final actually has no effect on the draw as they will be treated the same as a D1/2 team at that stage

I don't get what you mean by 'that round of the qualifiers'. My understanding is they are waiting till all provincial SFs are finished till they play round 1 of the qualifiers. By rights there should be exactly 8 eliminated div1/2 teams at that stage and the winners play the provincial final losers in round 2. As I say, AFAIK the only complicating factor is if a lower league team reaches a provincial final, which would mean 9 teams to fill 8 places in qualifier round 1.

Galway were 2 points down when he blew up.

Half time is completely different. It's not relevant to the injury time that is being played at the end of the game. Had the ball even left the Mayo half when he blew it up? I don't think so. I don't think I mentioned about being in possession. I was referring to a situation where a team is pressing hard to get one point to level the match and is pressing towards the oppostion's goal.

Have you even seen a scenario where a team is one point down, coming up to say, 5 minutes of injury time, and the ref blows it up at the 5 minute mark, when you have the team losing by the one point pressing close to the oppositions goal. Extremely rare I would think. I've never seen it. At any level.

Ya thats correct, everyone is in the same draw regardless of whether they went out in QF or SF, there is provision in the calendar for a prelim round if necessary

Agree on the clock, its always annoyed me that they don't have a clock!

There for the Dublin game in '16.

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Don't think so. Those things mid-match aren't a good idea imo. People are engrossed in the match and can't keep checking their watch etc

And even if they did, and a goal was scored 20 secs into the applause or something, people aren't going to just continue clapping politely and ignore the goal.

Have a minute's silence/applause before the match so it can be fully observed.

I'd follow things fairly closely coming up to matches and never even heard of this,I was in the stand and it didn't happen.