70 Burglaries!

FFFG and their various coalition partners didn’t even try to lock up those in the RC church that played their part in priests having free reign to molest and rape vast numbers of children for decades.

Why anyone now would expect them to “get tough on crime” is beyond me.

You might be whistling a different tune if they broke into your house, beat the sh1t out of you and made off with your belongings.

No doubt they are all on welfare as well so robbing the state and its citizens on the double.

But yeah lets all feel sorry for the poor criminals.

Its just pity the lot of them didn't end up cooked to a crisp like their cousins last year and save the taxpayer some money.

Yeah it would be interesting to see. If there are 5 of them (if we're talking about the 5 lads arrested above) then it would cost €80,000*5=€400,000 per year to imprison them. If they're doing 800 burglaries a year (a fair aul pace, credit where its due), then that's €500 per burglary to match the euro cost of imprisonment per year.

800 burglaries a year is 2.2 burglaries per day giving them Christmas day and Easter Sunday off. So it seems like a lot but I don't know how these things work.

So if you look purely in euro terms then you might save money by imprisoning these particular ones because they're so prolific.

When somebody sues the HSE/Dept of Health because of an operation or procedure that went wrong, is it possible to sue the Dept of Justice if these guys are let out and then commit a crime against you? Basis of case being you wouldn't have been harmed had they been locked up sufficiently to be punished for their crimes?

Like I said, "We know the factors that tend to lead to high crime areas but they're very expensive to address, so we don't really bother to address them. Instead we act shocked that there are high crime areas and pretend the people in those areas are fundamentally different from ourselves." I think you're demonstrating this attitude pretty succinctly.

I probably could have explicitly included inequality in the post. But I thought it was implied. Its well established that lots of poor countries with low inequality have low crime rates. And the converse also tends to be true. And the crime tends to flow in one direction - from the disproportionately poor. So you can pretend that is just coincidence and those people are naturally predisposed to crime, as you have done, or you can look at the factors that tend to lead towards greater likelihood of these behaviours.

The advantage of addressing the causes of crime would be numerous. For a start you'd prevent lots of victims being created. If you care about the victims of crime, prevention is surely better than remedy, right? Neither is cheap though.

You'd also get the best from people. I don't believe that the people from high crime areas are stupid or unable to do well. Increasing social mobility would mean we have more competition for educarion and jobs and more innovation as a result. And thirdly, we could channel AGS time into focusing on other things like community policing (broken windows theory etc) and the most serious stuff. Bit the most intangible advantage wouls be the social cohesion that comes from living in a low crime society. None of this is cheap, but at €80,000per year per person for prison alone (not including all the other costs) none of this is cheap.

But look, I'm not accusing you of having any interest in discussing any of those things. More traveller bashing, amiright?

Those crimes are already disproportionately punished in comparison to the more serious ones, revenue are particularly harsh

caught 3 times speeding and you lose you license over 2-3 years whatever it is

driving without a licence is the kind of thing scrotes do and that is not punished properly

Those lads doing the burglary were doing the ultimate form of speeding and could have killed people

They should being going a long time for that alone

So the crimes that normal people do are punished, look at the fookin TV license like, people spend actual time in jail for it

Well here's a start on the causal issues . Stop the aul 'mickey money' and free gaffs in sink estates as a valid lifestyle choice for so many at such young ages, so these kids are not thrown back into the cycle of a non contributory, pointless existence save their own kicks from alcohol, drugs, then the resulting child neglect, thieving etc.

When there is a very real option to be rewarded in this fcked up country for non effort, non application and non working, and non punishment for stealing from those who do apply themselves, those who work and make an effort then any academic bullshit analysis around it can go fck itself tbh. Much longer sentences, less giveaways.

Somewhere along the way the concepts of personal responsibility and moral hazard have been lost in a chorus of touchy feely, weak short term policy making. More stick, less expensive carrots.

there are already policies there, free housing, free schools, schools with everything provided free, music lessons etc, equestrian centers for your horses, what more do you think people need