What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

So nobody is allowed to come here at all? What about EU citizens?

I think the distinction is whether you're looking at the situation in the short or long-term.

In the short term, multiculturalism appears to work. In the long-term, it's a dismal failure. Which is why we're constantly seeing deflections away from looking at the problems manifesting as a result of the introduction of foreign populations, especially as those populations grow in size.

Anybody who wants a view of what Europe will be like, need look no further than Lebanon. A Christian state in the middle east that had successive waves of non-Christian refugees.

It's less than 40 years since most western nations were chauvinistic cultures... and those cultures could easily swing back to being that way in the future, depending on how things develop and the eventual pushback. As for being viscous, the eye is in the beholder.

The problem with parallel societies is not down to differences in culture, but in population. There have been small enclaves of just about every cultural group in the west for centuries and there were few problems. When there's only a few hundred (for example Turks) in a populated area where the native population is in the thousands, it's impossible to extend their cultural norms on to the native group. The fear of reprisals also comes into it, as most cultures would be required to keep their heads down against displays of tribalism, and mob behaviours. The natural birth rates involved ensure that populations remain pretty much the same, as intermarriage between cultural groups is discouraged as that group seeks to retain their cultural identity, rather than being dispersed.

The issue with modern migration patterns is that populations of that group will increase. There's no stopping it from happening, and as the populations increase, the ability to influence the local area around them also increases. More people means more protection against the mob and tribalism. More people means a greater ability to operate without much contact with the native group.. furthering the divisions that exist.

That is why we're screwed. There's no limit being placed on overall populations of particular groups.

And I agree there are some cultures who don't cause trouble but honestly, I suspect that's due to their own history and cultural development. Korean is a very very inward looking culture group. Their forays outward have tended to end badly, and the superiority that Koreans feel racially/culturally tends to encourage them to fixate on each other rather than seek to dominate others.

Also notice the same at work during Ramadan. Get shafted with their work

But you didn't express any views on multiculturalism in Ireland. You've got no problem with others. Um. great?

Oh lord, I really do have to laugh at boards sometimes.

We don't have the concentrated populated areas where both business and residential are mixed. The problem in Ireland is the focus on houses, which means that Irish cities sprawl.. which makes it difficult to see concentrations of ethnic groups, except in the dense residential estates.

You see it somewhat in Dublin with streets dedicated to particular international cuisines, but there aren't the residential areas nearby to really support them, in the same way, as you see in cities like London, or.. whatever.. because the availability of relatively cheap housing through apartments allows such to happen. In most European cities there's a greater emphasis on the store or restaurant being on the ground floor, and there being apartments above. You used see this alot in Ireland prior to the 80s but it's declined a lot, except in the more "provincial" cities like Galway, or the smaller towns.

It's worth remembering that migrant groups typically can't compete with the native population in terms of purchasing power until a few generations have passed, which is why areas such as Chinatown would originally have been in poorer areas, but may have improved within the last couple of decades.

Then the last piece of the puzzle is that Irelands migrant population has only really grown substantially over the last 30-40 years. That's nothing compared to other countries who have been dealing with it for much longer, and as such, such areas are far more established and built up. However, we're starting to see it happen in our cities. Mostly because it's sound business sense to dedicate streets to particular cuisines, or orientation.. but the effect remains the same, with a division being encouraged within different ethnic groups.

Which is why I always find multiculturalism so interesting. There is so much emphasis on having more ethnic diversity, but at the same time, that each culture should be seen as being distinctly different. Which is fine in the short-term, but what about human nature and tribalism? What about the lack of unity, or the lack of perception about being Irish, or American, or whatever? What happens when you have dozens or more ethnic or cultural groups who all see themselves as being different, and all wanting a different outcome for the nation? Where's the sense of coming together to be one nation under God (or whatever)?

It's just so damn short sighted.

So, instead they encourage it to happen in places like Longford instead.. which leads to natives leaving the area. Longford was always a rough town, but it's become rather nasty over the last decade. After all, it's easier to ignore it happening in the countryside. Out of sight, out of mind. They did the same with Travellers before the migrant populations starting rising, which is why there's often so many problems in those areas.