Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

It's probably fair to say that at least half of our tax money is used on things that have no benefit to your average person. Taxes are all well and good when the state is using your money to benefit you in some way, but the Irish state spend a small amount of it on the people. On top of that nearly every new law they pass seems to make our cost of living worse; from minimum price alcohol, carbon taxes, sugar taxes, and many more things. It's beyond absurd that people even defend this stuff, but I'd bet that at least a section of them have connections to the state in some way, much like during covid most of the rabid defenders of government policy were public servants happy to get some time off.

Red Cross needs to lose the responsibility for this.

I didn't understand from day one why a charitable organisation was in charge of this.

Shambles.

That is truly vexing, but not surprising. There was red flags weeks ago when they began basically openly blaming the people who had pledged for their own ineptitude.

It might be better contacting the Council wherever this place is located

We have a lovely woman and her daughter l(from Kiev) iving with us for just over a week now. She immediately started looking for work in hotels cleaning, working in the kitchen etc. even though she has two degrees and works in H.R. My daughter (18 yrs) got in touch with her through facebook and has put 5 other families in touch with people offering accommodation. No problems with any of them, just extremely grateful people who have been through the mill looking for a bit of stability while this crap continues. Chap in Trim doing great work also housing numerous families without Govt or Red Cross intervention. There are groups all over the country doing similar, putting people in touch with each other. I don't see it being any more "risky" as there is obviously risk involved in taking in strangers. A lot of these people have fook all and just want somewhere to keep their children safe. Maybe see if there is anyone in your local area with contact details for people looking for accommodation. I would not wait on the Red Cross but I would not give up either.

A guy from the Red Cross was on the radio the other day, saying they take names, process and vet properties and then pass on the info to local authorities, but upon questioning he was contradictory at times. Tbh, I think there are no joined up dots in the rollout of this.

me bollcoks! money is effectively endless, its just an agreement between creditors and debtors, and we must reenact the critical component of this process, i.e. debt forgiveness. yes billions and trillions have indeed been wasted, by simply using it to inflate asset prices such as property, and not using it to create new asset, i.e. new properties, this is the sh1t we need to sort out, or we ll eventually be fcuked!

And most certainly, the majority of those here have children and will not want to move them once settled in school. They may, in the future, want to return when the country is built back again, but who'd leave with a financial support system they could only dream of here. Of course they'll return, to visit, but I can't see many doing it permanently.

Or the husbands will come here for family reunification,

A lot of towns and cities have been razed to the ground it will take decades to rebuild ,and many won't likely return as long as there's a threat from Russia ,

It was the same when Africans and eastern Europeans started to come here in the tens of thousands ,ah sure they will only be here a short while and then they will go home , never happened if anything the numbers increased year on year.

The social security net here is infinitely more robust than Ukraine. Things like childrens allowance are unheard of out there. People aren’t going to give that up once they get used to it and go back to what was already one of Europe’s poorest nations pre the devastation of the war.

The welfare and visa offer should be time limited depending on how the war situation goes. Not rocket science

funnily enough, wrong actually! debt forgiveness has always been a critical component of maintaining functioning economies and societies, as has been well explained by folks such as Graeber and hudson etc, this has been the case for millennia. we still regularly engage in debt forgiveness, in both the public and private domains, but more so in the private, particularly at the corporate level, but we ve decided that most other debts must be paid in full, and on time, or else.....

all money does not come from investors, all money is actually created in financial institutions in both the public and private domains, in the form of debt, but in recent times, we have moved more towards the private domain for this critical need, i.e. banks, via credit creation, again, confirmed by some central banks.....

money creation is effectively an accountancy activity, when banks create this money, i.e. credit, the liability is the debt, but the asset is the loan itself, then of course banks a lot of the time engage in other activities with these debts, i.e. derivatives trading etc etc

yes since we re not the global reserve, we certainly dont have as much power as the fed in many ways, but major eu financial institutions such as the ecb and the eib, have far more abilities than we think, we urgently need to unleash these abilities, and quickly, to try prevent a major slowdown/recession in the euro zone, or maybe even a crash, who knows!

but we need all eu states, and these institutions to be on the same page to do so, we particularly need major eu countries such as germany and france onboard also, we also need to create new institutions, to solve all of these issues, but virtually none of this is currently being done!