Russia - threadbanned users in OP

This is nonsense: the choice to fight is 100% down to Ukraine and Ukrainians. It doesn't matter how many weapons NATO supply if Ukraine don't have the will to fight: and it's clear they have that in spades.

The only decision NATO and the US have is to what extent they help Ukraine to enforce its own will and determine its own future.

Do you actually read posts? Or do you just make things up in your head so you can poke at people?

"A certain poster" said that the mythical NATO MLRS systems you claimed were "already in Ukraine" would be much more difficult to supply than 155mm howitzers. You're now posting pictures of 155mm howitzer propellant being flown to Ukraine and trying to prove... what exactly?

You don't seem to be able to acknowledge that is a war on the edge of Europe, that has the capacity to have long running impacts on all other European states, including little wee Ireland here. Last time we saw war on this scale in Europe was in 1939 & 1914 before that.

You seem to suggest that giving Ukraine some weapons is OK but giving them too many weapons is a bad idea as that will prolong things. This is very woolly thinking, the worst of both outcomes for Ukrainian citizens. Enough to salve 'your' conscience but not enough that they can drive the invading army out. A recipe for misery & death.

As we know, war is polarising. There is less room for vacillating and having an opinion this way and that. That's the way of it.

So you either support Ukraine fully and advocate that they should get as much assistance as possible, even though it impacts on us. Or you go and get a job working for the Russian embassy running their line of propaganda. To be caught in the middle, neither one nor another is to be useless and ineffectual.

If that happens Ukraine must join NATO and we are all at war. I'm ok with that because anything less means the destruction of Ukraine and we can't back down from the bully. Make your will and shine up your bullets, we're off to war.

That's BBC.

In reality the empire and several other parties have been steering the V(o)ladimirs towards this war pretty much since the USSR was dissolved. Very much like it was done with Iran to end up in a war against Iraq.

One must know nothing about Russia's history and be really very gullible to believe that the Russians just want to kill Ukrainians. It is effectively a civil war.

It would be very difficult to isolate and identify the most important stakeholders benefiting from this. But, if one thinks about it, it would be the same parties who are responsible for climate change and other unsustainable business. But some entities are obviously responsible: NATO, USA, UK, entities controlling Western media, space exploration or requiring new resources and territory.

Historically Russia has been more of a peacemaker and less of an invader than any major European nation. Had the USA and/or other NATO members agreed to just stop encroaching on the Russian Federation in February, they would not have been a war. Now nearly 3/4 or Russians support it. AND: thats is also what many Ukranians, Ukranians fleeing to the West think as well.

The West wants more from Russia than Russia wants from the West. Look at the map! Russia can live happily without you. It is true they don't make iPohnes there. But they have everything else.

The West, the members of the NATO (!) supply weapons to the Ukraine but keep financing Russia buying fuels of them. It's in your face. If you are blind to that, it is because you chose to be. As you chose the empire versus versatility, Hollywood vs culture a planet filled with garbage over Nature. You chose death over life and you did so d e m o c r a t i c a l l y. Suddenly Russia and China don't look so bad.

Putin's Palace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8J2dW-QYQY&ab_channel=DWNews

Their "Victory" parade will be a bit like when the losing Irish football team would parade around College Green in an open top bus, cheered on by thousands of frenzied fans.

Altogether now comrades : "Give it a lash, Vlad. Give it a lash Vlad, never never never say no. Russia, Russia dictatorship of Russia, round em up and watch em blow......" 🎶 ☢️

Indeed, the Russian empire was a huge colonial power like all the others. But as soon as the Soviets came to power a century ago, they made sure to hold onto all the imperial territories, often using brute force.