So UFOs aren't a theory anymore - but we still don't know what they are

You didn't even get off the ground. I'm only playing with you. Repost of the same post. 

That's very interesting about Irish folklore and beings from a far off place which could be on another plane of existence and they visiting us.

On another noteI'd be having light hearted banter and chat's with sceptics about the paranormal and folkloric spirits etc and I have suggested to a few of them to go to certain places at night in the dark bring a torch and from a certain landmark past the old ruin of a church to the ringfort record it on their mobile phones. And I'll wait at the gate,it's a walk of around 2km over and back....

No way will they partake in the ramble, afraid of their brains potential to create a figment of their imagination which could potentially drive them mad.

In their own mind's they're afraid of the dark side of their consciousness giving them a scare and they're powerless over their own thoughts and delusions.

My observation is they're sceptical but unwilling to challenge themselves, I wouldn't shame them into it as it wouldn't be fair.

But I did it and recorded it and wattsapped the clips and me talking through it, I caught eyeshine from goats, a Fox and fluttering bats flew by they would no more do it after seeing the footage. I also had sounds of animals walking through the hazel wood.... that creaking sound of moving branches etc...

Serious sounds

The subject that Jacque Vallee, one of the foremost UFOlogists and scientists, discussed in his book, Passport of Magnolia, was the correlation between myths of abductions in folklore and modern abduction stories. Although the abduction stories have not been proven to be true, there are some similarities among them. In my opinion, debunkers have yet to accept the craft may be from somewhere else kind of in a difficult position to have a straightforward discussion with them. Can try, but don't expect much. Don't blame debunkers either -- I would not invite anything weird into my life either. If there are dark forces at work, then why do you run toward them?

I'm not really interested in the debunkers to be honest, they take it too seriously.

But I do get a buzz out of going to strange places alone, especially old churches, monasteries and ring forts, old supposedly haunted places.

I find the mind does take off and when I think about those horror movies where it looks like someone is being followed by an entity or demon that's what really charges me up. Because I know I'm really safe and there's nothing in this wide earthly world that will swallow me up or pull me into another dimension.

I'm fearless that way, I used to love ghost stories and the old people back in the 70's or 80's calling to my grandparents house and telling us about what was seen or heard in places nearby. I love all that. I bump into Eddie Lenihan now and again in Town and I love following him on YouTube the old recordings are fascinating.

Whether it's true or a figment of the imagination it's intriguing.

I'll check out the book you mentioned.

I do prefer the dark side of folklore and stories rather than the happy clappy stuff. It's more intense than fluffy sheep, flowery meadow's and chirping birds and a meandering river flowing through it.

Ignore the comments of one user. This is my last post on this subject of the holocust, and I have no idea why I am posting it. The only events I am interested in are JFK, the UFOS and 9/11 for me there is something wrong with the official narrative. Other conspiracies believed to be false are not. Covid escaping from a Chinese laboratory should not be even regarded as a conspiracy one of two theories to explain the outbreak. 

As an event that occurred many years ago, the holocaust is a very difficult subject to discuss. Debunkers fail to consider the fate of every single Jewish family and every individual uprooted by the Nazis during the invasion of eastern Europe due to their ignorance. It is as if they have also solved all of the histories of that particular event;

My fundamental stance is not against Poland's and Czechoslovakia's extermination camps for prisoners, Jews, and others. Considering the Nazi doctrine of a master race, gas chambers are not surprising. The amount of gassings and transportation of Jews to concentration camps has been shown down the years to be inaccurate. It was long believed 4 million Jews died at Auschwitz, alleging they arrived on trains, but the evidence did not support that claim.   

This paints a clearer picture of the Holocaust when taken as a whole, including mass shootings, deaths from illness, cold temperatures in the east, lack of food, and normal war events killing them. We can't have this debate today because it is a highly charged subject., keep away from it.  

They have no concept of denial. This denial is the claim that all of these events were fabricated and that there was a conspiracy against the Nazis because they lost the war. I am well aware of how evil the Nazis were to people during the World War II era. Josef Mengele was testing on the weak in society long before the war started; there is a pattern here that cannot be denied. 

Check out the book, it is an interesting read. I guess you like what you like!

Getting off topic here lads....

Cool the jets a little.

The Tic Tac objects, what ever they are... Are quite fascinating. Hard to imagine what they could actually be? And what their purpose is?

I'm a big believer in electrical phenomena and ball lightening. I don't think we have investigated it half enough, and may be the source of a lot of unexplained bright light events.

But the Tic Tac is something else.. The object seems to be navigating? If it is navigating, then what is its purpose? Is the blurry appearance at times due to the object vibrating?? Is the objects speed in the atmosphere causing the visual distortion?

Is the object being piloted, operated remotely or none of the above?

What is the reason for entering the water from time to time? Is there a reason to enter the water at that exact location, or is it just random?

How does it (do they), not bounce off the Empire State Building in New York? Appear above a capacity Wembley Stadium? Land or park up on the White House Lawn?

Are they electrical sprites following an unseen weather corridor?

Electrical warm air meeting cold air natural reaction??

I haven't a bull's notion what they are.. I'd like to see a scientific study done on them though.

I put that user in ignore because it's obvious they're off on tangents and I won't be distracted by someone trying to stir thing's up. Let them rant away.

You're entitled to your opinion, whatever that may be.

Just because we're having a discussion they're trying to derail it, for what reason I don't know. Maybe it's personal.

He is not receiving the attention he requires. No one is going to tolerate his childish manner of posting and hurling insults. It is absurd that he quotes other people's posts and has not grasped that we have had enough of his behavior. I would respond differently if he had different mannerisms and attitudes, but I will not, so he should not waste his time. There are other debunkers who are insulting as well, though they are not as obnoxious, so I reply to them as well. Some are borderline, though, so I may ignore them in the future,. I am a patient individual and am willing to tolerate a great deal, however it is not worth my time to converse with someone who believes he is right all the time and you are wrong about everything.

I am not always accurate and I lack some knowledge about certain sciences and other things as well as some language skills. As a result, I do make mistakes as I proceed. There is a problem with the debunkers on this site - they do not really take the time to discuss details with you. Look at the 9/11 thread. There is not a single post disputing my claim that there is no freefall in the NIST collapse model. What are these posts telling us about debunkers? There should be no problem in writing a reply refuting everything I said about freefall here. Freefall is one of the main arguments for controlled demolition, but not a single debunker has demonstrated it in the NIST model for all these years!!!!!

If you suggest that aliens might be operating these objects in the sky, people will go off in a huff indicating that UFOs are neither vehicles nor craft. The deniers are a strange lot. Though I rarely insult, I sometimes get passive-aggressive with the tone of my replies, and trying to tone that back.

Given that they are hypothetical you can't really know their motivations in which case they may have no desire to remain hidden, in which case perhaps we would have an idea they were observing us.

How can you speak with such authority? They "certainly wouldn't" be doing x, y, z? How can you know that?

Well suggesting anything around some debunkers will only draw in more debunking they're programmed to be uncreative and are quite repetitive and unable to think for themselves or exchange ideas. They'll say the same about the people they're debating.

You'll outline your side of the argument and they'll still say you haven't answered their question. And they'll demand you answer the way they want it. But leave them off, yer man has been put on ignore and it'll stay that way. He's probably bouncing up and down now because he's not getting what he wants. Bringing up other threads etc and trying to pit me into making a judgment on you on behalf of your ideas outside of the subject matter.

There's definitely a want there, and he can waffle away until next Wednesday if he likes but I'm not engaging with him.

He seems to be in denial :)

Fork lightening for instance...

It's starting point to it's 'ending' point takes a split second. (granted, there would be numerous branched in one strike).

But..

The beginning of the strike (the original flash point), fizzles out as the branches of lightening shoot across the sky.

The lightening strike(s), have a jagged, zig zag pathway from start to finish.. Why not straight lines? Why not just one lightening explosion and be done with it? What makes the lightening tentacles twist, turn and stretch for miles as they die out?

The Tic Tac jumping around could be seen as similar? Darting off in different directions, making impossible turns (impossible to us), maybe not even aware of us, as it's nothing more than a natural unexplained weather phenomena?

What about electrical activity being driven by a magnetic force above in the skies?

Did one theory of the Bermuda Triangle, not suggest that a magnetic force sent the cockpit dials into disarray, sending the pilots off on a different flight path, and ultimately to their doom?

Or the science backed evidence that there is some sort of weird goings on above Skinwalker Ranch. Maybe only weird because we don't understand it yet?

Weather fronts and jet streams follow a trajectory (most of the time), like an unseen force pushing forward. What if there was a trajectory that carried electrically charged particles at a super speed? A trajectory that changed at random and was totally sporadic?

We don't know everything..

Like some parts of the Indian Ocean man has never seen, I'm sure likewise can be said for the heavens too?

Observations of UFOs over large urban areas are rare. The only two instances that come to mind are the Pheonix lights and Reports of UFOs from the Hudson Valley. These objects do not seek publicity or wish to be observed by more people. Most cases appear to occur around nuclear sites, military bases, and remote villages. Therefore, UFOs would be interested in human military capabilities as well as any activities taking place in these small remote communities; as a result, it appears that they are not very interested in notifying us on a broad scale of their presence. There was a fravor sighting somewhere off the west coast, far from land too..