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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    They've 2 contractors registered and their work has already been called into question. Nothing in this country can be done straight, some crony always has to get their cut, if you gave 120% tomorrow Eamo's buddies would want another 29%.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Do you not find the electric saw gutless? there's something satisfying about 130 decibels and the smell of 2stroke



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    possibility of €5k a year electric bills coming closer to being a reality

    You've repeatedly shown a distinct lack of understanding of the pricing of electrical heating, at least you're consistent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The Greens in Germany shutting down nuclear power stations looks even more insane with the E.U. recognising nuclear as a transitional energy source.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,299 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...an understandable reaction to fukushima, but a severe miscalculation of the exposer to russian supplies



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Decades ago if we were taking warnings serious we probably should have been looking at nuclear.

    With the alternative renewable energy source we have are unreliable. There is no quick radical fix for that . We are going to need a secure source of gas until that changes. What is so difficult to understand in that ?

    We may be relatively wealthy but we are no Japan or the U.S. We have still got a cat hanging from the financial crash, a Covid epidemic to pay for and our state finances depend disproportionately on the corporation tax from a handful of companies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    It was nothing to do with German nuclear plants being in danger of damage from a tsunami or an earthquake. It came down to nothing other than Green policy being opposed to nuclear. A policy that now looks a bit daft with the E.U. recognising nuclear as a transitional energy source.

    Foresight was not one of the German greens greatest assets. Shutting down everything depending on gas from a Russia led by Putin, what could possibly go wrong with that policy.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    the E.U. recognising nuclear as a transitional energy source

    Just to note, that is the proposal at the moment, not a policy yet as a number of states are against it and are threatening legal action should gas and nuclear be given the green label in terms of EU funding



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭donaghs


    Germanys nuclear plants weren’t going to be hit by a simultaneous earthquake and tsunami. Not the same type of earthquake zone, and most are inland.

    just anti-nuclear ideology. Evidenced by the fact that Germany is now more reliant on dirty fuels like lignite and (Russian!) coal.


    You also have to factor in the potential bribery and corruption of some of Germany’s political elite by Russian oil and gas money.

    https://qz.com/1232384/putins-relationship-with-germanys-ex-leader-has-created-a-new-word-for-corruption/amp/

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Then unless they can point to viable alternative sources, they are as cuckoo as our Irish Greens who somehow believe we can go from where we are to 100% reliable renewables in one fell swoop.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nope, the proposal to list those sources as "green" is so nuclear and gas generation sources can access EU funding. There are also limitations placed on the "green" classification for those sources too, specifically that it would be time limited. I can't recall the exact dates, but for gas it would be open for funding until 2030, and nuclear until 2040, after which EU funding would not be available for these generation sources.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    So gas and nuclear can access E.U. funding until at least 2030 and 2040, yet our geniuses are attempting to ban LNG which the E.U. is in negotiations with the U.S. to bulk buy. A shower of ideological lunatics.

    On the plus side we have 18 years to build a nuclear plant or two using E.U. funding.😎



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    As I said, it's still just a proposal for now but we should be hearing something shortly one way or the other



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭donaghs


    Agreed. And I understand we’ve banned further oil/gas exploration in our waters/territory?

    Yet we are reliant on gas and oil, and renewables can’t seem to replace them entirely.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    ...and as i said unless those opposed can come up with credible viable alternatives for transitional energy sources other than gas and nuclear they should be looked on the same as our Green Party geniuses. Ideological lunatics.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    We have indeed, but gold and silver exploration on land is no problem. How that can be squared with an operation that is far from environmentally friendly nobody knows except a few greens, Ryan especially who granted the licenses, but none of them are saying how.



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    It's important to remember the reasons for both of those sources being proposed for green labelling.

    Gas was being driven by Germany, and a handful of others which were reliant on cheap Russian gas. That gas is gradually being cut off either by Russia or the EU, leaving only very, VERY expensive LNG as the alternative. This expensive LNG is going to rapidly start hurting economies so they'll be looking to transition away asap.

    Nuclear is being driven largely by France in an effort to save the industry.

    It should also be noted that the gas supporting bloc is adamant that nuclear should not qualify and vice versa for the nuclear bloc as regards gas.

    This still has a ways to go, with any final proposal requiring the Parliament and the Council to not raise objections, something which is unlikely.

    The war has changed things, in different ways for different countries so its difficult to say how this will go at the moment.

    Watch this space, as they say



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    Love a 2 stroke.

    The electric chainsaw is really good, and I have a Husqvarna 455 Rancher for the felling and the big sections. Most of the work is done with the Makita, I have 4 batteries for it and they charge fast, its really light so you can go all day..



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    You think the Italians are better at administration than the Irish?

    The Italians??



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    It`s even more important to remember that our situation is not much different from Germany. We have shut down, or were planning to shut down, every power generating plant other than those powered by gas and replace them with gas powered plants.Transition will only be achieved when we have 100% reliable renewables and that is not going to happen with our present renewable sources anytime soon no matter how much we ramp them up.

    We are in the position that other than gas, we have not just any other transitional energy source, we do not have any alternative any more to use as a fill-in for unreliable renewables.

    Regardless of how expensive LNG is, then we have no other options for a secure energy source that complies with E.U. directives. The Irish Green Party attempting to ban LNG and stonewalling Barryroe is insanity. If greens were really worried about the price of LNG other than their ideology, then they would be looking at the marginal pricing policy that the E.U. has now finally recognised as a cash cow for renewable energy supply companies.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    We have predominately gone with wind as a renewable and gas as a back-up. As we have either shut down or downgraded every other generating source we do not have any alternative other than gas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    My question was directed at the marginal pricing structure what’s the or a alternative



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You are partially correct and partially incorrect.

    For example, banning LNG terminals. There is a bill proposed by a GP member. This is no different than any other TD putting forward a bill i.e. It's not a "party" bill.

    It should also be noted that even if it was passed into law it would have no effect on the currently planned terminal. Its unlikely there will be a market large enough for 2 terminals so any bill passed would be toothless to begin with.

    Also, the PfG clearly stated that an LNG terminal is not a goal for this govt but they wouldn't block one if developed privately. The proposed bill is consistent with that.

    As for Barryroe, the fact that no there is no commercial case for it to be developed seems to be ignored by its many advocates. There is a case to be made that it would be more attractive if it was licensed but the only existing impediment to that is the requirement for any developer to be a known entity with the requisite expertise. Given the potential environmental impacts if done incorrectly by cowboys, I think that is a fair bar to have to pass.

    In addition, if Barryroe was so amazing the owners would have been able to put this in place at some point over the last 10-12 years. Instead we see numerous parties walking away, again and again and again. There's something fishy there, if so many come close to getting involved and then walk away. Definitely more to the story there imho



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Stop with the disinformation

    LNG is no more or less expensive than other forms of natural gas, with gas prices been set by world Markets. The EU have already announced a joint mechanism for the whole EU to source and bid for all necessary imported LNG supplies .

    And please don't try and whitewash the issue. The banning all LNG is a green party policy and has been for a long time. It most certainly is a "party bill" and an utterly deluded one at that

    There is a huge commercial case for the gas field for Barryroe. For one that natural gas is now an essential non renewable source of energy required for the period of transition to renewables. But also that the UK gas pipeline is no longer a secure source of natural gas for Ireland due to Brexit. The benefits to Ireland of being able to be at least partially self sufficient in natural gas is immense especially considering what is going on in Europe atm. With imported LNG being sourced to make up the remainder.

    This bolloxolgy about being "an known entity with (or without) the requisite expertise" is just that that. The company is a legal commercial company, who like every other oil and gas company - contract out specialist work such as drilling. They have no need of a drilling company atm - because that eejit eamon has got his finger firmly stuck in his hole over the project despite throwing silver and gold mining prospecting licenses around like confetti.

    Oil and gas exploration is largely dependent on demand, when resource requirements are realised and when supply and market conditions are met. So the fact that our present supply from the Corrib supply field is running out and natural gas is an increasingly scarce commodity in Europe means the time for the extraction of natural gas from Barryroe is now. Even if the greens have their head stuck in the sand about that.

    You and brokens continous attempts to paint the company as "fishy" and other daft pejoratives is utterly transparent when you've both been peddling the same green mantra that all natural gas is bad or wtte. I see no such criticism of any "cowboys" in the renewable energy sector including those companies who have been found to be responsible for significant environmental degradation in Ireland and elsewhere.

    It's not like all these facts haven't been detailed already on this thread many times and still the prevarication and denial of the fact that safe, secure and reliable sources of natural gas is required during the period of transition to renewable energy generation.

    Green ideology pushing the sole use of renewables at this point in time has been shown to be a complete sham. This constant dissemination of disinformation on the topic is yet another reason their policies are destroying this country



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I`m curious Da, where in my posts did I give the impression that if someone was pissing down my neck I would believe it was rain ?

    Do you seriously expect me, or anyone else, to believe that Neasa Hourigan, a Green Party T.D.s proposal of a bill to ban the importation of LNG is just her on a solo run that has nothing whatsoever to do with the Green Party ? Ryan has already attempted to put the fix in on planning permission for that private terminal which has already been turned down once, and with Hourigan`s bill, if it was passed, would ensure that if it fails again then no other application by anyone for a LNG terminal would even be considered for planning permission.

    I would not be that sure from a post here not long ago that a state owned LNG terminal is still not a consideration for some in this government, and far as I recall the PfG agreement was in relation to fracked LNG. Not all forms of LNG.

    Why should the government care if Barryroe is commercially viable or not as a reason to not give a licence ? The state would not be investing a red cent in Barryroe, so commercially viable or not it would makes no difference to the state. Far as I can see it`s more to do with the Green Party stonewalling being afraid that Barryroe is viable than anything else.

    How did you manage to type with a straight face on Barryroe "Given the potential Environmental impact if done incorrectly by cowboys..." where Ryan has granted licences for gold and silver exploration to a sector that have shown over the years they are among the biggest environmental cowboys on the planet



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The alternative is to stop charging everything in the mix at the price of the most expensive component.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There is a huge commercial case for the gas field for Barryroe.

    Not for investors as history has shown

    Has anybody any idea why investors keep walking away from Barryroe?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Again, what concern is that of Ryan`s ?

    Granting them a licence is not going to cost the state a red cent. In fact I imagine like every other state licence they would have to pay a fee. Stonewalling without even agreeing to meet the company is not going to encourage investors either, which seems to be the idea.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Ah I see you now know all the investors in the Barryroe oil and gas exploration project as well? Well holy god there's something. You do know how investment in such projects work yes?

    Why the fcuk would private investors hang around for long when you've the likes of Eamon Ryan deliberately stonewalling the project?

    I reckon its time the company took Eamon to the cleaners

    I suppose it's just as well there were no investors in the Derrybrien Wind farm closed down recently for environmental degradation and other issues.

    Just us muggins picking up the tab yet again for another deluded policy given the thumbsup by our own greens which places these instalatiois in sensitive habitats and not next to the Urban areas where most greens in Ireland seem to congregate.




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