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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭whippet


    Gemma O'Doherty is a big fan of that newspaper. Says it all really



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,762 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Ah sure the fact checkers are all controlled by big pharma / bill gates / klaus schwab



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,996 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    That's a loonpaper placed in shops by activists that masquerades as "news".

    Here's a study that explains how this BS works

    "At the time of writing, there have been ten issues of The Light, produced monthly from September 2020. Each edition is designed to mimic the style and layout of a conventional newspaper and includes a masthead, logo (a lighthouse), and banner headlines, with each article laid out in columns. It also contains numerous images and charts and includes opinion pieces and interviews alongside news items. Overall, the structure adopted by The Light presents readers with a range of different content, varying in both style and topic. That conspiracist content is encountered alongside other, seemingly unrelated material, means that overall, readers experience the variety of content that might be expected in a daily newspaper."

    Note how you mindlessly regurgitate it without question because it qualifies your "beliefs". No different from a religious cult.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,762 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    If the Light told people to drink their own p they would, oh wait.....

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/11/anti-vaxxers-covid-drinking-urine-misinformation



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,996 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    The irony is just incredible

    "The mainstream media is all lies man!"

    Deliberately creates a fake newspaper designed to look like a real one. Gets collaborators to place it in shops. Real articles placed besides the conspiracy articles to trick readers into thinking it's more legitimate.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    And of course, this obvious bullshit tactic works completely on folks like Buzzer. These grifters know that people like him aren't going to really question stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,809 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    New lows from Buzz. Hilarious to see the desperate scramble.

    Go make amends with the friends and family you've undoubtedly been alienated by. Tell them you were wrong. Tell them you fell victim to an algorithm and that you're sorry.



  • Registered Users Posts: 913 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


    So people get vaccinated because they say (wrongly think) that the vaccine protects them from the measles, chicken pox, polio etc, basically whatever they have been vaccinated against.........that is correct right? that is the ONLY reason why people vaccinate at all.............that is the apparent "purpose" of them..............

    ok........here are some facts that you should really consider if you believe they protect you........all the sources are next to them, you can check them yourself, they even come from the "peer reviewed medical journals" you are always banging on about, even though people who shout this the most, have never read a single study.........they just like to pretend they know..........here we go, suck it buttercups.............TRUTH BOMB



  • Registered Users Posts: 913 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


    1871-2, England, with 98% of the population aged between 2 and 50 vaccinated against smallpox, it experienced its worst ever smallpox outbreak with 45,000 deaths. During the same period in Germany, with a vaccination rate of 96%, there were over 125,000 deaths from smallpox. ( The Hadwen In Documents)

    - In Germany, compulsory mass vaccination against diphtheria commenced in 1940 and by 1945 diphtheria cases were up from 40,000 to 250,000. (Don't Get Stuck, Hannah Allen)



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,298 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    FFS.

    There's fanzines that have been around for longer. 🤣



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  • Registered Users Posts: 913 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


    In the USA in 1960, two virologists discovered that both polio vaccines were contaminated with the SV 40 virus which causes cancer in animals as well as changes in human cell tissue cultures. Millions of children had been injected with these vaccines. (Med Jnl of Australia 17/3/1973 p555)

    - In 1967, Ghana was declared measles free by the World Health Organisation after 96% of its population was vaccinated. In 1972, Ghana experienced one of its worst measles outbreaks with its highest ever mortality rate. (Dr H Albonico, MMR Vaccine Campaign in Switzerland, March 1990)



  • Registered Users Posts: 913 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


    In the UK between 1970 and 1990, over 200,000 cases of whooping cough occurred in fully vaccinated children. (Community Disease Surveillance Centre, UK)

    - In the 1970's a tuberculosis vaccine trial in India involving 260,000 people revealed that more cases of TB occurred in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. (The Lancet 12/1/80 p73)

    - In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 "Abstracts" )

    - In 1978, a survey of 30 States in the US revealed that more than half of the children who contracted measles had been adequately vaccinated. (The People's Doctor, Dr R Mendelsohn)



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Buzz, are you just steal from Twitter again?



  • Registered Users Posts: 913 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


    In 1979, Sweden abandoned the whooping cough vaccine due to its ineffectiveness. Out of 5,140 cases in 1978, it was found that 84% had been vaccinated three times! (BMJ 283:696-697, 1981)

    -The February 1981 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of obstetricians and 66% of pediatricians refused to take the rubella vaccine.

    - In the USA, the cost of a single DPT shot had risen from 11 cents in 1982 to $11.40 in 1987. The manufacturers of the vaccine were putting aside $8 per shot to cover legal costs and damages they were paying out to parents of brain damaged children and children who died after vaccination. (The Vine, Issue 7, January 1994, Nambour, Qld)

    In Oman between 1988 and 1989, a polio outbreak occurred amongst thousands of fully vaccinated children. The region with the highest attack rate had the highest vaccine coverage. The region with the lowest attack rate had the lowest vaccine coverage. (The Lancet, 21/9/91)



  • Registered Users Posts: 913 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


    In 1990, a UK survey involving 598 doctors revealed that over 50% of them refused to have the Hepatitis B vaccine despite belonging to the high risk group urged to be vaccinated. (British Med Jnl, 27/1/1990)

    - In 1990, the Journal of the American Medical Association had an article on measles which stated " Although more than 95% of school-aged children in the US are vaccinated against measles, large measles outbreaks continue to occur in schools and most cases in this setting occur among previously vaccinated children." (JAMA, 21/11/90)

    - In the USA, from July 1990 to November 1993, the US Food and Drug Administration counted a total of 54,072 adverse reactions following vaccination. The FDA admitted that this number represented only 10% of the real total, because most doctors were refusing to report vaccine injuries. In other words, adverse reactions for this period exceeded half a million! (National Vaccine Information Centre, March 2, 1994)

    - In the New England Journal of Medicine July 1994 issue a study found that over 80% of children under 5 years of age who had contracted whooping cough had been fully vaccinated.

    - On November 2nd, 2000, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) announced that its members voted at their 57th annual meeting in St Louis to pass a resolution calling for an end to mandatory childhood vaccines. The resolution passed without a single "no" vote. (Report by Michael Devitt)



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Yup. Just more zombie posting. More copy and pasting from anyivax grifters because he can't actually address any points or think for himself.


    I don't think he understands how this is making people less likely to start buying into his shite.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's what the kiev independent that you're a fan of is too though..



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    What's this to do with the topic exactly?


    No comment on Buzz buzz at all given that he's representing you and your beliefs?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah, no, the vaccines totally worked, completely eradicated covid, thank god..don't think I've heard of anyone getting it in a while now..no one suffered any adverse effects at all..

    Modern medical science is a wonder..new disease..BAM!..vaccine that totally works immediately..

    Wouldn't doubt it for a minute..these things aren't complicated..just a matter of believing whatever the TV tells you..



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    What are you talking about?

    You're very childishly pretending this is the argument people are making. It sounds very much like you're lashing out because you are upset that you conspiracy theorists have become even more of a joke of late.


    You accuse people of "believing what TV tells them."

    Yet we have buzz buzz literally just parroting stuff from twitter.

    You haven't commented on it because you don't want to acknowledge it, but he's doing exactly what you're accusing people of. You have no issue with it and you've done the same AFAIR.

    That seems to be a very common thread in conspiracy theories. You guys just believe whatever you're told by your preferred grifters.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,533 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why are you lying? They're not remotely comparable to some loons dropping fake newspapers in shops..


    Like buzz, you seem to read something on Twitter and view it as factual.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,996 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    A new virus emerges. We develop some vaccines. This particular virus mutates a lot. The vaccines reduce deaths from that virus and reduce some transmission. Not stop, reduce.

    Likewise, we wear masks to reduce the spread. Not stop, reduce.

    Likewise, we use social distancing to reduce the spread. Not stop, reduce.

    There are individuals who can't (or don't want to) understand these basic concepts. You are one of them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,809 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Oh Jesus theres still a few stragglers banging on about this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭Doc07


    @Dohnjoe Thank you. Excellent post and not being sarcastic but excellent summary of the vaccines actually . The anti-vax pox are just embarrassing themselves at this stage.

    Scepticism of Big Pharma and government motives is fine and should be allowed and debated but the constant regurgitation of easily disprovable nonsense that some around here indulge in is pathetic and boring.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    Yes thats great. Its not really. You have just confirmed that the vaccines are pretty useless against a fast mutating virus and hence we have a massive transmission rate. So the vaccines reduce deaths from the virus..yes seems plausable but the virus has mutated and is less deadly. Is it the vaccines or the virus mutating to a less lethal form that is reducing deaths? With a good 20% of the population unvaxxed we did not see any significant impact on hospitals with the Omicron variant neither did South Africa with a large unvaxxed pop.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,605 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    I'm not anti vax but.......



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    I am a pro drug, pill for everything, pharma companies are here to save us.. but...



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,254 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    I think that that is fairly obvious. Vaccination helps older and vulnerable cohorts against severe illness and death. However vaccinating healthy young people is questionable. Especially if transmissibility is not impacted. A bit like the overuse of antibiotics, kids and under 50's were never in danger from Covid and should not have been injected. Nature has a habit of getting around obstacles.



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