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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,563 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Down to 477 in hospital and a big drop to 33 people in ICU this morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,856 ✭✭✭Allinall




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,469 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland



    god love rte - cant let it go obviously using the pre 8:00am figures even though its 120 down on last friday ( but monday was 15 up on sunday)

    Covid-19: Hospital cases rise but virus wave nears end (rte.ie)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,563 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    The info they posted were numbers over the weekend. Not sure why RTE are not up to date and put up that bollox today. The figures are 477 and 33 in icu today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,489 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    My wife is a healthcare assistant in a nursing home and they are all in PPE again as a few cases were found there this week.

    The residents are getting the second booster now but no word about the staff, seems a bit mad??

    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You'd have to wonder whether RTE are actually trolling at this point!

    Not a single article about the drop of 1200 or so in recent weeks but they somehow managed to mention an increase of 15 on a weekend..



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    What’s the story with the WHO pandemic treaty that Stephen Donnelly is signing Ireland up for without consultation with the people who elected him? Surely something of that scale must be taken to the people in a referendum. We are supposed to live in a democracy after all. WHO’s performance was abysmal during Covid - and yet countries want to allow them to become a Government of the world in the next pandemic?



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,106 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    We have never held a referendum for something that doesn't require a change to the constitution. Governments enact things like this all the time without going to the people with a referendum. It is what we elect governments to do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Do you agree that Ireland should sign up to a treaty that gives WHO total control of this country’s pandemic response and all other countries also without consultation with the electorate? And those who don’t comply with said WHO directives will be sanctioned? Looking at WHO’s performance during Covid where they failed miserably to act with China at the start, I certainly don’t.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    I don't either, but I see no suggestion that Cushion does either - they're just pointing out how things work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    How about a proper response instead of a dismissal? This is my problem with COVID reactions that border on the hysterical, they are ignorant to the reality that COVID in the vast majority of cases is only a minor illness and that is without vaccines. The only group of people actually vulnerable to serious illness are the very old and very vulnerable. For everyone else, if you get seriously ill you are a statistical anomally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Well said. As is often the case, people let their emotions overrule reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Impossible to say whether a country should sign up to a treaty that has yet to be written.

    If there is a conflict between any treaty and the constitution, then the treaty is either non-binding or it will require a referendum before it can be ratified.

    It's a very elegant system of ours. By implication if the Minister for Health can sign a treaty without a constitutional referendum, then the powers of the treaty are very limited and are really little more than a gentlemens' agreement.

    The concept of a formal, global treaty which homogenises pandemic responses and the sharing of information is on the face of it essential and kind of incredible that we haven't had it before. We are a single species on a single world. Each community flailing about collecting its own data and making conflicting decisions about how to respond is pretty irrational.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Its almost as if there is zero understanding of what representative democracy is.


    Lets have a referendum on every single government decision. Is that what people think democracy is these days?



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Honest question, what the hell is going on in our ICU.

    NI have less than 6 for the last month. As low as 2 some days.

    We have days were we are admitting 6 in 24 hours...

    Are we reporting the same way? Are we putting people in that don't really need to be there?

    I've looked at some of the ICU data in the past around volumes and survival rates and it certainly seems like we are a bit of an anomaly.

    Also, for the huge drop in hospital numbers, ICU hasnt dropped that much. It was between 40 - 50 for the most part. 38 now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭megaten


    This might have been asked a million times before but does the day you get symptoms/test postiitve count as day 1 or day zero for self isolation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 580 ✭✭✭ddarcy



    day 0

    From the HSE site:


    You should self-isolate (stay in your room) as soon as you notice symptoms of COVID-19 or get a positive COVID-19 test result. Either of these are considered day zero when you are counting your self-isolation days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,342 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Lol ! " Are we putting people in that don't need to be there "...

    But fair question , it is slow going and there are admissions to ICUs every day as well .

    Ireland ICU survival rates are better .

    You go look at the data on NOCA which directly compares cases in Ireland and other countries and you will see patients stay on average 5 days longer in Ireland in ICU , which results in less deaths on the wards . Patients are more stable being transferred out less readmissions due to relapse.

    This depends on case numbers/ bed numbers and individual hospital pressures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,342 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Don't know about the first part there dominatin, but definitely agree with the second part .

    Reality has nothing to do with some of the posts from that poster, apart from their own reality that is !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,214 ✭✭✭Xander10


    Hospital numbers the lowest in ages, but all some media outlets reporting..... major surge in cases in 3 weeks!

    Definitely time to stop testing.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Thanks for the info, is it unknown at this stage as to the contents of the Treaty might be? While shared approaches & responses to a pandemic are good, countries differ re demographics, health, virus spread, etc. A one size fits all approach may not be the answer to how to improve the global response to future pandemics.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Yes let’s pretend the WHO may not theoretically gain a huge say in the running of Ireland during the next pandemic, bury our heads in the sand & pretend that the Covid response here was exceptional. You did write many many posts defending it at every turn, including the disgusting and discriminatory vaccine passports which incidentally weren’t democratic & could have ended with major civil unrest had they been kept.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's not due to be adopted until 2024. It's not clear yet what it will entail.

    I'd imagine it will include a commitment from countries to increase necessary resources to monitor and investigate emerging pathogens. Also to improve global sequencing and ensure fair access to vaccines and treatments in developing countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Where are you seeing these media reports? Because, from what I can see, Covid has all but disappeared from the news cycles..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    People sick of hearing about covid are prepared to go to great lengths to do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,563 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    RTE are at it again, headlining about this big 5th wave starting in Africa apparently BA. 4 and BA.5 are our new threats .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,214 ✭✭✭Xander10




  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    To be fair, it is literally all over the news feeds last few days. Hospital numbers dropping is not worth talking about.

    The next wave that weeks away is though.

    Not sure why we'd care when we easily got through this one without any need for restrictions or masks...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    I dunno lads, I think there is some sort of Stockholm syndrome going on in this thread!

    I just did a quick google of RTE, TheJournal.ie and Independent.ie (some of the biggest exponents of the Covid crisis) and there isn't a single mention of Covid on their front pages. Of course, if you go looking for it, which many on here seem to do on a regular basis, you will find what you're looking for...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭corkie


    From today (29/04), the Department of Health will no longer publish daily COVID-19 figures. This information will be updated regularly on Ireland’s COVID-19 data hub.

    It was handy to get a quick glimpse of the figures. But is anyone else still checking them anyway?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,384 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Well this treaty as @CruelSummer rightly points out doesn’t require a change to our constitution so there won’t be a referendum about it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    Without vaccines COVID is a mild illness for the vast majority of people. Without vaccines there is almost a negligible risk for under 18s to end up in hospital. Without vaccines under 40s had three times the mortality rate from suicides than from COVID. These are all facts. With vaccines I think it's clear that COVID is a cold for everyone.

    Masks on the other hand; maybe in a properly worn context; putting a medical grade mask on, properly, not touching it or removing it then disposing it when safe to do so and replacing it with a fresh mask in the same manner, there would be some benefits. But people wearing masks they maul as they put on, don't wear correctly, remove and put in their pocket in order to reuse later and that are made of the same material your socks or t-shirt are made of render them utterly redundant in the vast, vast majority of cases when they were work in Ireland the last two years. Therefore, to accept a flimsy bit of cloth and not force people to wear proper masks correctly, there was no point to them other than to use them as a symbol. If people see others wearing masks they were more likely to take COVID seriously than if they did not see people wearing masks, because there was no physical evidence visible from the naked eye that there was a pandemic. But that was because it just wasn't very deadly to the vast majority of people.

    For the first time, my wife has COVID right now, just tested positive today. She has cold symptoms and tested positive on a few antigens. She may as well have the flu for the worries or extra precautions she is taking; just bed rest and fluids is what she'll be doing. I have no symptoms so won't obviously get a test, especially now I see the Dept of Health has stopped reporting daily case numbers. Quite clearly we just have to get on with life and stop focusing on COVID, especially with little or no symptoms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭celt262




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭celt262




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    So this is what one of the key Covid experts actually does:

    Extraordinary that radio, tv and print media gave this ‘expert’ a platform.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Are people really still isolating in their rooms with this thing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,563 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Any opinions on this? I’m guessing and hoping that due to Irelands massive infection rate of BA.2 and our good vaccination uptake that BA.4/5 shouldn’t pose much of a threat? It seems to be only an issue with BA.1 and the unvaccinated.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    It's all still Omicron, I wouldn't worry at all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,662 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Not sure where its coming from, but there has been a noticeable increase in mask wearing in my local Dunnes in the last week. Easily over 50% wearing masks this morning, across all age groups too, not just elderly who may be weary of being vulnerable.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Could be people post covid wearing them as per guidelines for a few days after



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭corcaigh07




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    Was in Supermacs last night and all staff wearing mask. It was in a service station and all other staff working there not wearing them. An odd one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Given that the low birth rate caused in China by the 'One-Child Policy' means that the Chinese government is struggling with care for the elderly, why is Xi Jinping obsessed with maintaining a low death-toll from Covid? One would have thought that, given that he is a dictator who is proud of Mao's legacy, he would have been delighted if the disease had killed many of his country's elderly people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Bill Gates is out scaremongering again about the chances of a new scarient, not because he’s a qualified doctor, or highly specialised expert. But because he has a book coming out - which incidentally is being promoted by Dr Tedros, head of WHO. Very impartial altogether from WHO- and it’s not free downloadable information to the public on pandemic prevention, it’s €25. The same WHO we want to hand over full control to during a pandemic if they get their way and Donnelly signs Ireland up to the Treaty. Nothing to see here, love Dr John Campbell’s take on it - who despite not actually being a qualified doctor himself, is infinitely more qualified than Gates to speak on this.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭Captain Barnacles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    A friend of mine, who is a Covid survivor, ran the Limerick marathon yesterday.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Isn't it mad how practically nobody gets discharged from hospital on weekends during the whole pandemic or in general.

    Apparently COVID was an emergency. We feared throughout that hospitals would get overwhelmed.

    And yet getting doctors in on the weekends was always a no go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,342 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Your posts don't reply to mine and as I said in reply to another poster your reality is different from mine and many others .

    Outside of my work I know dozens of people , dare I say personally , all badly affected by Covid, but yet you persist with the declaration that that is hysteria ?

    Does your limited reality make all of us who worked more outside the home and dealing with the general public , many of whom might actually be over 40( perish the thought !) irrelevant?

    Yes I see you finally admit that the vaccines did change the course of disease ..that must have been hard for you .....

    So I say as I have done before , that I do agree that the way masks were introduced used and abused was both ineffective and wrong , but that they were used effectively in healthcare once we were allowed to use them by the HSE !

    I also agree that young under 40 year olds were generally very less affected by even the original strains, but not to the extent that it was negligible...that is not a fact .

    This was always pre vaccine more serious than any other infectious disease both in infectiousness and severity , and to say otherwise now , when we are out the other side of a pandemic following worldwide lockdowns, havoc and vaccinations , is nothing but disingenuous twaddle .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,662 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Looking at footage from China, the term covid theatre springs to mind. Given what we know about the virus now, to see workers in haz chem suits spraying streets with disinfectant is bizarre. Also their policy of putting the sick, particularly the elderly in quarantine centres to control the virus is surely exasperating their death rate. All seems very strange but understandable given the regime they live under.



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