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Delayed expectations

  • 02-05-2022 8:29pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭


    I don’t know if this is the right forum for this so please move it it’s better suited elsewhere.

    Got an unexpected message at the weekend that implies that I have a child, and I’m not sure what to do about it. So far I have ignored the message but I know I can only do this for so long. I obviously know who the message is from, and I haven’t had contact with said person for years. She had never contacted me before at all, and I didn’t know about this.

    The message was far from friendly, and it made it clear that the woman opposes any contact between “her child” and me, but she thinks he will contact me on his own terms if she was to block contact and that she’d rather keep communication lines open.

    I don’t really know what I am supposed to do here. She clearly wants me to stay away, but he doesn’t. I want to do the right thing which means not hurting others but I can’t see how I can do this here. To me it makes no sense to contact someone years later and expect them to play along..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,211 ✭✭✭893bet


    Assume child is an adult at this stage or will be when they contact you? If so ignore the mother entirely. She kept this from you wrongly for years.

    Have you other children?

    Difficult but I would want a test done to confirm and would probably want to get to know them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    How old would the child be.

    If the child be 18 then she can't really do anything to stop them meeting you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    12…makes me feel old enough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    It's not the child's fault his mother kept you secret/in the dark.

    She may have had her reasons, the reasons may have been totally valid but I do think it's a sh*tty thing to do. Looks like her hand has been forced and she can no longer keep you a secret.

    That's said I do think a child deserves to know where they come from. If your parents are alive I do think they deserve to know they have a grandchild.

    It sounds like all that's expected from you is your time. At this stage I don't think that's a big ask.

    If the child wants to meet, meet them, get to know them....you might actually like them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭Snugbugrug28


    Refusing contact would suit her narrative while breaking the child's heart making them hate you forever and possibly load them with minor psychological hang ups. Unless you actually don't want to see them I think you should make a point of seeing your kid.

    Knowing your parent helps you make sense of life



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,211 ✭✭✭893bet


    I would be trying to get into their life now. They are young enough to forge a childhood relationship with.


    why is she telling now I wonder?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,428 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Sounds like the mother has already told the child that you are the parent.

    And are trying to make you look like the bad one.

    Not being there for the child's youth ect So she doesn't want you to accept contact with the child she would look better.

    Ask for a dna test keep records of all contacts with your ex.

    Try find out how she got your phone number to contact you after 12 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I was wondering that too. Could it be money she's after? I'm no legal expert but I would imagine a court would force her to give certain axxess to the child should you wish to go down that route.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I wouldn't take her word for it. If you really want to get involved, get a paternity test.

    If you don't want to get involved, then leave it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    They are abroad and it’s partially the reason I haven’t responded to her yet.

    I’m not angry and I can understand why she might have kept it to herself at the time. I just don’t know how to respond now.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,023 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    If she wanted money off you she would have gone after you 12 years ago unless you've suddenly won the lotto.

    From what you said earlier it sounds like she doesn't want contact but the child is pressing the issue. Without wanting to be harsh it sounds like she was getting on fine without you and would much rather to continue in that manner. However she can't stop the child contacting you and the child inviting you into their life.

    I personally think it would be a d1ck move to refuse contact, but it would also be a d1ck move to enter the child's life and feck off after a couple of meetings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Terrible attitude to have - not to get involved in your child's life.

    The child is the innocent party and has a right to know their parents. If the mother denied her child and father that opportunity for years, that's also a rotten thing to do.

    OP, it's a shock and could have a huge impact on your life. Take a test and then take it from there. Being a parent is a gift, many people are not so lucky.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Wow, I'd say that took the shine off your weekend. If it were me (and if the dates check out, and it turns out you think the child may actually be yours) then I'd probably ask about the current situation she's in. If she's in a relationship and there's already a kinda family unit in place, then I'd probably hold off. Maybe ask if you can write a letter to the child and see if he still feels the same about making contact once he's 18 or whatever.

    All of the above after several stiff drinks, obviously. Best of luck!



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I agree. She never contacted me for money before and I don’t think that’s her intention. From what I can tell she wants me to stay away and avoid contact. I’m not THAT bad though I think.



  • Administrators Posts: 14,433 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Jequ0n, by your own admission in this forum you do not treat partners very well. If you were emotionally manipulative and controlling it is understandable that she would try to keep the pregnancy and subsequent child a secret so as not to keep you in her life. Unfortunately for her she is now discovering that children do grow up and usually are curious about who they are and where they came from.

    She is saying she wants nothing from you. She doesn't want contact with you but is giving your forewarning that her son might try to contact you in the future. I think she will probably do what she can to delay that for as long as she can. Maybe she is stalling at the moment telling him she is trying to track you down. I think it is very understandable that she would not want to bring you back into her life. But she is also acknowledging that she can't keep you away from her child forever.

    I think you should reply to her. Tell her you were surprised to hear from her and that you will take her lead on this. That you will not push for anything that she or the child are not ready for. She knows her son. Let her manage this. She might make some wrong/bad decisions as she tries to bring him up. Every parent does. We make choices at the time that we think are right. Sometimes they're not. But in general, as a parent, we do what we think is best at the time. In this instance I'd let her lead what happens next. She knows the day will come when he wants to contact you. She also knows the person you were when you were together so she will be trying to manage the child's expectations for when he does eventually contact you himself. She'll be trying to prepare him that he might not get a happy outcome.

    Try find out how she got your phone number to contact you after 12 years.

    I have had the same number for roughly 25 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,970 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Being a parent is a gift if you want to be a parent. It would literally be the worst thing that could happen to me.

    OP, I'm genuinely conflicted as to what advice to offer you here. Given your own admissions on here since you joined, I'm honestly not sure you'd be a positive influence on this person. Sorry. But, maybe that's a realisation they need to come to themselves, I don't know. I think at this point, you should acknowledge the message, tell the mother you'll go with the child's flow and take it from there.

    A DNA test is always an option, but reading between the lines it doesn't seem like you're questioning paternity.

    Post edited by Dial Hard on


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I didn't say which he should choose, did I? That's up to him.

    OP, in case it wasn't clear (god knows how it wasn't clear, but I'll restate it) if you want to be involved you have the right to get a paternity test, in my opinion. You have no idea whether you are the father or not. You can't just take someone's word for it, it's simply naive.

    Anyone who considers that to be "terrible" needs their head checked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    It was the part about not getting involved I was replying to, apologies if I mis-read.

    Agree that OP should take a paternity test.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n




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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I was bad then and as I said I can’t blame her for her decision. It’s still really confusing now though.

    I will reply to her but can’t do it now because I am actually furious now and would end up saying something I’d regret.

    Thank you



  • Administrators Posts: 14,433 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    What are you furious about? Are you furious that she got pregnant? Had a baby? Didn't tell you? Or are you furious that she has contacted you now all these years later?

    You say you don't blame her for not telling you at the time. I am assuming you didn't treat her very well. She got pregnant, unplanned. She wanted to keep the baby but realised she did not want to keep you in her life. So she made the decision that she felt was right at the time. She decided to be a single parent and look for no input from you whatsoever.

    Unfortunately, children tend to grow up and ask questions. She doesn't want anything from you. She doesn't want money. She doesn't want your time. She doesn't want a relationship of any sort. But she's now realising that actions have consequences and her son is questioning where his dad is.

    If you don't want to be a parent then you have the option to completely ignore that the boy exists. He may come looking for you as an adult. But that's in the future and something you can deal with if/when it happens. By your own admission you don't treat people well. If the boy makes contact with you in the future, he'll probably figure that out for himself before too long and he will realise his mother made the decisions she made trying to protect him.

    Don't reply yet. But try to work out what exactly you're furious about. And if you have a right to be. If she told you she was pregnant at the time, what do you think your reaction would have been, and how would your life, and relationship with her and the child have been all these years? Think about that. You're a very honest person, so I think you can be honest with yourself about that.

    And then think if you are justified in feeling furious. (Or are you furious because this is a situation you couldn't and can't control? Do you feel she has somehow gotten one over on you?)



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    To me it makes no sense to contact someone years later and expect them to play along..

    I think you're letting your own characteristics cloud your judgement here. She doesn't know you've changed, if you have. As far as she knows you're exactly the same as before and only the two of you know what that was like. This time it's not only herself she has to protect, but her child.

    I can't imagine contacting you was number one on her wish list, but she felt she had to. She is stuck between a rock and a hard place and at the heart of if she is doing the best for the kid and was decent enough to give you a heads up so whatever shocked reaction you're likely to give, you give to her and not the kid.

    She can't be expecting a response straight away. As someone above said, a message saying you'll follow their lead is perfectly acceptable. Unless you absolutely don't want contact.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I am furious that I was given the news with the clear undertone that she doesn’t want me to be involved. Yes, I think I have a right to be annoyed about this and most people would be.

    It is a control thing. I don’t let other people decide that I should do, because only I make that choice. I don’t take it well when someone tries to make me do something, and loss of control is a big problem for me. I am aware of this and I am addressing this.

    I will not reply while angry. Unfortunately I know that the anger needs to explode first so I will not respond until I have myself back under control.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    @Hannibal_Smith

    ” think you're letting your own characteristics cloud your judgement here.”

    I don’t think I understand what you mean by that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    Slow down, reply to her you are in shock and need some time to digest it.

    I see this two ways,

    She was in a relationship that gave her financial stability and that has broken down and she needs financial support for the child from you. Which is fair enough she’s just gone about it badly but holding that against her actives nothing.

    Or She kept the child from you and you from them but now they want to know more.  She’s not after money and she’d prefer to keep you out of their life.


    I think offering to let her decide and take the lead on this is bad idea it gives her free rain to say you didn’t want to know the child and poison any future relationship with them.  I’d get as many details from them as possible including a photo. Do you believe it is your child? Do you need a DNA test?  Or do you know from a photo that it’s yours?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    I get the impression that you like to be the person calling the shots and possibly would have been the controlling one where this girl was concerned? So for her to be messaging in a way that is asserting herself you find difficulty in accepting that.

    My thinking would be she's not expecting you to play anything, she doesn't actually need you to play any part. This is the situation, it's not her choice to contact you but felt it important.

    In fact just reading your response to Chips above I'm not too wide of the mark?



  • Administrators Posts: 14,433 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I am furious that I was given the news with the clear undertone that she doesn’t want me to be involved.

    She doesn't want you involved. She doesn't want anything to do with you and she hasn't wanted anything to do with you for the past 12 years. She would prefer to happily live the rest of her life never having to communicate with you again. But she's now realising that is no longer her choice.

    Her son is asking questions and she can't fob him off forever.

    Her contact with you was not an attempt at control. She was not telling you something, deliberately to tell you to stay away. Her contact was purely to forewarn you that in the next few years you will be contacted by a young man who tells you you are his father. If you decide you want to meet the boy before he makes that contact himself I have a feeling she will facilitate it even though she doesn't want it. (So there's your control back if that's what's most important for you in all this - you can decide when to meet him).

    She's not trying to control you. She trying to manage a very very difficult situation. One which she believes has the potential to be very upsetting for her son. He's her priority in this. Not you, or controlling you, or looking for a reaction from you, or anything about you... She's only thinking of her son and how to do best by him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Could be a delayed April Fool's prank from your mates.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I didn’t say she was trying to control me. You asked why I was so angry and I explained it. I do not like not being in control or being told what to do. That’s all. It’s a known issue and I am managing it whereas years ago I would have flown off the handle.

    I don’t think I am being unreasonable in being annoyed about this situation.

    I couldn’t care less about this woman and her “difficult situation”, but I certainly don’t want to cause unnecessary pain to the boy. I won’t rush this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You've every right to feel annoyed, emotional or frustrated. It's a lot to take in.

    If you have someone to talk to, a friend or professional you should take advantage of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Maybe it's a prank pulled by your enemies?

    All you have is a message from some number. Given you seem surprised the person has your number, I would assume there is a chance that you did not have hers



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I have issues with control and rejection, yes. But at least I am aware of it and can work on it. This is not a good situation for me and testing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    It wasn’t a text conversation but via the only social media platform by which I can be found.

    Mhh..enemies…maybe.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Of course it's a testing situation, it would be for anyone. But when you say she 'expects me to play along' it sounds like it's grinding your gears that in your mind she has control here. And that's what's making you furious.

    It's an added component to the normal anger, surprise, shock or whatever feelings news like this would evoke.

    So when deciding your next step, let the lack of control element go, understanding that it's not being done to deliberately wind you up. It's more the mother protecting her child.



  • Administrators Posts: 14,433 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    But what are you not in control of?

    The mother isn't asking anything of you. Nor is she prohibiting you from doing anything. She is simply giving you the information. With no expectations of you.

    If you reply to her and tell her that you would love to meet him, I'm sure she will make it happen. If you reply and tell her you want nothing to do with her or him, she will manage that too. If you ignore her text completely, she will also deal with that. So you actually are in control here. You get to decide the next step.

    The only thing you had no control over was her keeping the baby. But you got her pregnant. Once she was pregnant the choice was 100% hers to continue the pregnancy. Maybe knowing how much control, controlling situations and controlling people is an issue for you she felt that telling you she was pregnant would have led to you coercing her into an abortion she didn't want.

    Right now you are still in control of what you do from this point on. She's not asking anything of you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭Baybay


    As a parent, my first obligation is to my child. Perhaps this lady is not trying to control you or the situation but merely trying to protect her child.

    You clearly have few feelings for each other & have had no communication for years, so why now? I think she’s probably had conversations with her son about who he is & where he comes from. He’s at that age. School projects, family trees etc. Kids chat amongst themselves too. He is curious about you, maybe about cousins, grandparents also.

    She may have contacted you because she feels there’s an inevitability about her child getting in touch with you. She may have thought she’d have had more time. You will have had time to digest the information that you have a son & have considered what you might want to say to him or even if you want to say anything. Either way, your response now may go towards how she prepares her child for how his father may react to him. It isn’t always all about the adults.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    She is telling me clearly that she doesn’t want us to have contact. I understand why but it’s still a **** message to send someone after telling me about him.

    Anyway. I won’t give her the satisfaction of reacting angrily and against her oh so holy wishes.

    Edit: sorry and thank you. I’m lashing out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Thank you. He will never meet his paternal grandparents, even if that’s only good thing I can ensure.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Be careful.

    I say this carefully, but as a parent, your child comes first. And being honest, this is a difficult thing to fully understand until a child arrives in your life.

    She is protecting her child. You are lashing out, but I'll be honest, she will too if her child is affected badly. You've had no contact in years so clearly not an issue in the relationship department, but I suppose she is giving you a heads up that this child is probably now more savvy about the internet and the ways and means of finding things, maybe has been asking a lot of questions, and maybe there is a possibility that he will get to you somehow. She is giving you advanced warning of this -but she is also giving you advanced warning that she wants nothing from you and her preference is that (I guess) they have been fine so far and she'd prefer it to stay that way. Equally she knows she cannot control the child forever, and is trying to lay ground for this connection that might happen.

    You might think it's a **** message, but as a mother myself - this isn't about you. It's about this kid and the potential that he might arrive out of nowhere into your social media or similar. She is simply doing her best to protect the life she has built for him, and to protect him.

    I would fully expect you to run the full spectrum of emotions on receiving a message like that, and giving it time to settle in your head before responding in haste is no bad thing. This is not about the relationship you may have had with her, or the idea that you don't like to be controlled, or any of those things. This is about a 12 year old kid, putting his foot out into a wider world, asking questions of her that maybe she doesn't have answers for (or has answers he won't fully understand), and I guess she is trying to figure out somehow how to smooth the way here as best she can.

    Take your time on it.



  • Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,947 Mod ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    One thing that few of us take into account is that children grow up to be adults. And they want to know about people they are related to, especially about family members that aren't in their lives. Or they want pertinent medical information as an adult. If you think about all the information you know about your dad as it stands right now, imagine how curious you'd be if you had none of that - good or bad.

    Her son is at an age where fobbing off or white lies won't do any more. I'm sure she would have loved it if he never has had that curiosity and she never had to message you, but it sounds like she had no real choice. And actually, I really admire that she's thought about the potential impact on both of you that she's given you the heads up about something she knows will be out of her control in a couple of years, rather than burying her head in the sand and letting a shocked doorstep fallout between you happen.

    So the objectives here are - firstly you don't want to cause hurt to the boy. That's a great starting point - and really the main thing that matters here. So you need to figure out what you might want - and that may take some time. Do you want to have a child in your life? Or do you want to satisfy his curiosity, answer his questions and then leave it there? That's for you to explore - preferably with a therapist. And judging by your last post, you seem to be aware of the fact that the wrong kind of parent can be detrimental to a child so again, being mindful of hurting the boy is a good thing. Also, it might be no harm to talk to adult children who were also searching for a birth parent, or read up on forums for adopted children and get some insight from their experiences

    For now, potential options to you are:

    Message her back, acknowledge your shock at the news, that you are processing it and that may take some time on your part. Thank her for the advance notice so that you can prepare for any eventual contact in such a way as to minimise any hurt to the boy. Then explore for yourself what that contact might look like for you.



  • Administrators Posts: 14,433 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    When I asked what you were furious about, and what control you felt you had lost you said that she was controlling the situation and telling you clearly that she doesn’t want contact. But, this line is from your first post..

    but she thinks he will contact me on his own terms if she was to block contact and that she’d rather keep communication lines open.

    So, she is still giving you the option of contacting her, or not. She is opening that door. She wants nothing to do with you. She wants no communication with you. She wants nothing from you. She's not contacting you asking for anything. But - she acknowledges that her child will most likely try to contact you. And she acknowledges that while it wouldn't be her choice, she can't control his choice (forever).

    She doesn't want anything from you. But something is going on with her son recently and she knows the day will come when he looks for you. And she wants to keep communication lines open rather than block all attempts at contact.

    I think as the others have said. Taking time to digest this is a good thing. There's no immediate rush to respond. But I think your need to be in control of everything is making you see something from this woman that isn't there at all. She's not blocking all communication. She's opening communication, but also letting you know that she doesn't want anything (money, time, a relationship etc) from you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,640 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    OP:

    3.5 days. c 500 euro, best money you will ever spend on self dev, personal issue management etc

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I know I won’t be a “parent”. He doesn’t need that and I am not capable of fulfilling that role. I am acutely aware that I’d be a dreadful influence entering his life at this stage.

    But I have so many questions, and there are so many factors that make me really uneasy about this. Funny how many people think her actions are admirable because I don’t see it that way at all.

    My therapist is on annual leave so I can’t discuss it yet, but will do so when they return.



  • Registered Users Posts: 183 ✭✭Larry Bee


    "Funny how many people think her actions are admirable because I don’t see it that way at all."

    How do you see her actions? How do you feel she could have handled it better?



  • Administrators Posts: 14,433 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Funny how many people think her actions are admirable because I don’t see it that way at all.

    Of course you don't see it that way. Most people can see this for what it is. But you see it through your skewed vision: You treat people badly. You manipulate and abuse people and see them only for what you can get from them. You've admitted to not understanding people's emotions (or maybe not caring enough about them to try understand them). So because that's how you view the people around you, you think that's how the people around you also think and behave.

    You can only see this situation through your eyes, with your perspective - that this woman is looking for some long game revenge on you. That's she's been storing this up for exactly the right time to drop the bomb. Then block any/all avenues of communication and tell you that there's nothing you can do about it. You see it as an attempt to abuse and control, because if it was the other way around your only motivation would be to abuse and control.

    You only saw the "I don't want any contact" part of her text but have blatantly ignored that she said she is opening the lines of communication. You see the bad, not the good.

    I would absolutely hate to be in this woman's position right now. By your own admission she was right to keep this from you at the time she got pregnant. She is now trying to put the past, and her personal feelings about you aside, because she is trying to do right by her son. But you lack the capacity to see that. All you see is a bitter woman gaining control and holding this over you. I don't think anyone can convince you otherwise. Like I said you're wired differently to most.

    But I can guarantee this woman has no interest in you. She's not relishing any of this. She doesn't want power over you, or control, or conflict. She knows that's unlikely to end well for her. She wants nothing from you. She just wants to do the right thing by her child who is growing up and asking questions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    If I was in this situation, I would want a dna test, and if that proves there is no biological link, then that's an end to the matter. So you may be shocked, furious, feeling out of control or many other emotions, but until you know for certain, you are only causing yourself stress. Nobody needs that.

    If you are the boy's biological parent but haven't been a father to him or helped to raise him since birth, only you know if that situation would have been any different if his mother had told you of his existence.The mother may have felt she was protecting him, but if he is your child, she was very wrong IMO to deny both you and the child that information and opportunity to bond, develop a relationship and be in each others lives.

    I know fathers have fewer rights than mothers in this country, but the child has rights also - a right to his identity, to know where he comes from, to know his parents and extended family. She may have had no time for you, she may not have wanted you in her own life, but she denied her child the prospect of knowing his father for the past 12 years. In any event, you may have been a lousy boyfriend, but how does she know that you wouldn't be a fantastic father?

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Maybe leaving you out of his life wasn't her choice to make. But how were you back then? You say yourself you understand why she did it. That must have been some relationship to feel she might have had a point in not telling you about a child she had.

    If you understand why she didn't tell you, if there's a reasonable explanation for her not telling you that you both can see that we can't because we're only privy to what you've posted why are you so angry?

    Again, maybe she took an important decision out of your hands, but I doubt it's as simple as that. And if you've really changed then looking at the full picture would be what you should be looking to do. Instead you're looking to regain some ground and angry that she might have some control here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    You might have a point with some of the things you said. I need to think about it.

    ”Skewed vision” is not a very nice term btw but I think I know what you mean.

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