US Supreme Court to overturn Roe vs Wade

NYT maps the Trigger Law effect

If things get Handmaids Tale here we were already starting to site moving to Virginia. My wife has a severe heart condition that would effectively guarantee a pregnancy is a death sentence. So far, no talk of South Carolina trying to criminalize traveling out of state for one, like some other States seem to be doing, like Texas.

Really not following the effort hear to equivocate between a draft being leaked to the Press and bombs being leaked to the Capitol grounds, and gallows, and weapons, and rioters.

Not even sure what the "punishment" is for talking to the Press. It is marked "Circulated" not "Confidential." At best, I'd note only that it may be a crime to lie to an FBI investigator if they come asking if you leaked the document to the press. (18 USC § 1001)

And, that perp the Republicans want to hunt down may be a Friendly,

The WaPo similarly analysed the situation as overblown. (Remember when the same group told us Hillary Spygate was the biggest scandal in all the world and then Durham had to call them back and be like, WTF are you talking about?)

Not long after the historic leak Monday night of a draft Supreme Court opinion that would overturn the right to abortion established in Roe v. Wade, the calls began for the U.S. Justice Department to identify and criminally charge the leaker.

But while the leaker or leakers might face professional consequences — such as getting fired or losing their law license — legal analysts say they will almost certainly not face any criminal exposure, provided they had legitimate access to the document.

(Link Free to Read until June)

@tooka "and the very few, If any, states that criminalise you just pop Over the border"

This isn't Ireland, and none of those states have codified a right to travel elsewhere. Quite the opposite in fact, some Trigger Laws are already poised to criminalize seeking Out-of-State services.

"Popping over the border" will by intention, not be an option.

We don't know who leaked it. Could very well have been a Republican Law Clerk looking to ensure this Draft was locked in as the final decision. Therefore, if this truly is a Subversion of the Supreme Court of the United States, Republicans may have a lot to answer for. Since we have no idea who leaked it or what their motivations were, if any (it's still entirely possible the leak was accidental). We may know who or how it got leaked within a couple days anyhow. Far from not discussing it though, it has indeed been discussed as one of the issues prevalent in this topic. I had just got done talking about it (Post #189) when you complained a few minutes later about nobody talking about it (#192).

You don't have to believe me, you can just look at these states own Trigger (and TRAP) Laws. These aren't theoretical laws, or bills, waiting in the wings to be rushed through statehouses, they already passed, and are legislatively designed to become legally enforceable when the Trigger becomes active: the repeal of Roe vs Wade.

You're free to travel, but some States have already or will legislate to criminalize seeking an out of state abortion. Texas already awards plaintiffs $10,000 if they successfully prove someone went out of state for one.

Link here charts the effect of these Trigger Laws when they become active.

Highlights

• 23 states have laws that could be used to restrict the legal status of abortion.
  • 9 states retain their unenforced, pre-Roe abortion bans.
  • 13 states have post-Roe laws to ban all or nearly all abortions that would be triggered if Roe were overturned. 
  • 9 states have unconstitutional post-Roe restrictions that are currently blocked by courts but could be brought back into effect with a court order in Roe’s absence.
  • 7 states have laws that express the intent to restrict the right to legal abortion to the maximum extent permitted by the U.S. Supreme Court in the absence of Roe.
  • 4 states have passed a constitutional amendment explicitly declaring that their constitution does not secure or protect the right to abortion or allow use of public funds for abortion.
• 16 states and the District of Columbia have laws that protect the right to abortion. 
  • 4 states and the District of Columbia have codified the right to abortion throughout pregnancy without state interference.
  • 12 states explicitly permit abortion prior to viability or when necessary to protect the life or health of the pregnant person.

You may be entirely correct that abortions will proceed unabated, but it means that in many cases, Americans will be marred as Illegals for doing so. Conservatives have shown very few reservations about how far they are willing to go to "protect the life of the unborn" even if that means channeling some totalitarianism. "I don't believe you" yet the Law in Texas says I can get $10,000 for ratting on a girl getting an abortion out of state.

And yes, this SCOTUS was already happy with the plan

Sec.A171.207.AALIMITATIONS ON PUBLIC ENFORCEMENT. (a)AANotwithstanding Section 171.005 or any other law, the requirements of this subchapter shall be enforced exclusively through the private civil actions described in Section 171.208. No enforcement of this subchapter, and no enforcement of Chapters 19 and 22, Penal Code, in response to violations of this subchapter, may be taken or threatened by this state, a political subdivision, a district or county attorney, or an executive or administrative officer or employee of this state or a political subdivision against any person, except as provided in Section 171.208.

(b)AASubsection (a) may not be construed to: (1)AAlegalize the conduct prohibited by this subchapter or by Chapter 6-1/2, Title 71, Revised Statutes; (2)AAlimit in any way or affect the availability of a remedy established by Section 171.208; or (3)AAlimit the enforceability of any other laws that regulate or prohibit abortion. Sec.A171.208.AACIVIL LIABILITY FOR VIOLATION OR AIDING OR ABETTING VIOLATION. (a)AAAny person, other than an officer or employee of a state or local governmental entity in this state, may bring a civil action against any person who: (1)AAperforms or induces an abortion in violation of this subchapter; (2)AAknowingly engages in conduct that aids or abets the performance or inducement of an abortion, including paying for or reimbursing the costs of an abortion through insurance or otherwise, if the abortion is performed or induced in violation of this subchapter, regardless of whether the person knew or should have known that the abortion would be performed or induced in violation of this subchapter; or (3)AAintends to engage in the conduct described by Subdivision (1) or (2). (b)AAIf a claimant prevails in an action brought under this section, the court shall award: (1)AAinjunctive relief sufficient to prevent the defendant from violating this subchapter or engaging in acts that aid or abet violations of this subchapter;(2)AAstatutory damages in an amount of not less than $10,000 for each abortion that the defendant performed or induced in violation of this subchapter, and for each abortion performed or induced in violation of this subchapter that the defendant aided or abetted; and (3)AAcosts and attorney ’s fees. (c)AANotwithstanding Subsection (b), a court may not award relief under this section in response to a violation of Subsection (a)(1) or (2) if the defendant demonstrates that the defendant previously paid the full amount of statutory damages under Subsection (b)(2) in a previous action for that particular abortion performed or induced in violation of this subchapter, or for the particular conduct that aided or abetted an abortion performed or induced in violation of this subchapter. (d)AANotwithstanding Chapter 16, Civil Practice and Remedies Code, or any other law, a person may bring an action under this section not later than the fourth anniversary of the date the cause of action accrues. (e)AANotwithstanding any other law, the following are not a defense to an action brought under this section: (1)AAignorance or mistake of law; (2)AAa defendant ’s belief that the requirements of this subchapter are unconstitutional or were unconstitutional; (3)AAa defendant ’s reliance on any court decision that has been overruled on appeal or by a subsequent court, even if that court decision had not been overruled when the defendant engaged in conduct that violates this subchapter;

SB 8 is Texas state law. How much more proof do you need for your personal belief?