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Mary Lou MacDonald suing RTE

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  • Registered Users Posts: 69,156 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I made it clear I support the 'right' to take a case.

    If you haven't the wit to work out the difference between that and 'supporting the person' that is your problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,849 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    But that is where the argument begins and ends for you with this case involving MLMD. You won't hear any negative view against her or view on possible motivations. The fact that she has a right to do something is enough for you. Nobody questioned her right (even though you keep accusing them of doing so)

    Likewise, litigious Jimmy would likely have threatened the newspapers. In the end, the fact that he was so trigger happy was enough for them to know not to risk it. He was also only asserting his rights. So they didn't even attempt to publish on him. It can be quite an advantage to get that litigious reputation!



  • Registered Users Posts: 69,156 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobody questioned her right? Are you fecking serious?

    Here, away and jump Donald.

    Not getting into this round and around nonsense again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,849 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Yes, you are the only one that keeps going on about her right. Here is a post where I said explicitly that everyone has the right. Subsequent to that, you have just kept going on and on about how I, and others, are trying to say she doesn't have a right.


    The reason that people are questioning/criticising is that the cause of the action has been reported as being an interview, in which nobody can identify the defamation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,682 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Her law firm was is a significant and experienced one. They’d have advised against proceedings unless a very high probability of success. Ditto her shadow cabinet colleagues.

    RTE will settle or lose.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,682 ✭✭✭Seathrun66


    The courts don’t censor as you said. They penalise defamation. Your post clarifies that you don’t understand the workings of the judiciary yet have no hesitation in posting about it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,849 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Actually no. The courts don't necessarily "penalise defamation". One defence to a charge of defamation is the defence of "truth". You can establish that I defamed you. If I show you that the defamation was true, then you will not recover for it. I'll still have defamed you. The difficulty can be in showing it was true. For example, one might claim that an individual was a member of a ruling council of a paramilitary organisation. All intelligence and other sources might assert this as incontrovertible but there might be no actual legal proof

    The Courts do not censor anyone in the exact same way that the Courts did not censor reporting of Jimmy Saville. He just used his connections/power to take advantage of the system to censor the press. The bould Jimmy was abusing kids. Plenty of people knew what was going on. But there was no legal proof. So he would have won any defamation case against the press. As the article said, he had the litigious reputation so they knew what he would do



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    He is correct, nobody has questioned her rights. You have made that strawman accusation against me, yet I have asked several times for you to produce the quote where I questioned her right to take a case.

    The defamation laws are in need of reform because they are over-protective of the rights of people like Jimmy Saville. Do you agree? Or are you happy with the rights that Jimmy Saville availed of?



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Nonsense, I wasn't suggesting that the courts censor. That is your misunderstanding.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    In my opinion she is not looking to win, she is looking to scare RTE off investigating Sinn Fein.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 69,156 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If you adamantly post that she is engaged in a Slapps action you are belittling her right to begin proceedings. You want a situation where your boogeymen and women can have anything said about them and have no right to redress. You have been advocating it from the get go.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,666 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    so you agree she is within her rights - and you cant disagree with her reason as you don't know what it is.

    What are you disagreeing with exactly? Are you being a political Karen?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    So the presenter said:

    "Good morning Mary Lou and welcome to the programme"

    Is this not the standard greeting for all guests on a radio programme?

    Yet you find it

    unseemly to sat the least.

    I'd love if you could explain that - or do you expect MLMD to be treated differently to other guests? If so, you might want to explain why. Or maybe you expect her to be treated as Gay Byrne treated Gerry Adams, while he fawned over certain others?

    I heard that once

    Really? I've heard that and similar hundreds of times, with all sorts of guests. It's pretty standard. It also shows that RTÉ expects SF to be in government sometime soon, and to be doling out the grants.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭buried


    How do you mean in the case of Sir Jimmy Saville 'there was no legal proof'? There was plenty of it, including testimony of actual victims who existed at the time, but they were all silenced by the British establishment, the same establishment who knew what was going on and gave the sick f**king piece of $hit a knighthood from her majesty to go with it. You trying to equate the shinners to the likes of Sir Jimmy is beyond laughable, I suppose the shinners can rely on the same establishment protection that Saville got, yeah? Can they f**k

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    This is a very interesting post.

    "the frivolity of the case as RTE news understands it", you say,

    Are you claiming to speak for "RTE news" now? because this is what it looks like.



  • Registered Users Posts: 69,156 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yes. I don't know a lot about Saville. But well put there. The cowardice of the media is not the same thing as being compelled into silence for fear of litigation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    It sure is. S/he says, specifically:

    they reported the suit and said it is thought to be in relation to the interview with Bríd and Regina on the women's protest

    I find it very strange that RTE doesn't seem to know exactly what the case is about, despite being the respondent.

    RTE news would not have said that

    Are you employed by RTE news to tell the world what they think? Or maybe you have a direct line to them?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭buried


    The British establishment knew full well that any sort of move against Saville when he was running rampant with his crimes would have resulted in other victims of other establishment/high profile rapists and abusers coming forward with testimony of the crimes inflicted upon them. Could have been the case that Saville actually knew the same criminals who were involved in the same sick activity he was and threatened that he would sing like a songbird if anything happened to him. Either way, that is why it was silenced by the establishment that he was a knighted up member of.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭deirdremf



    You don't know any of that actually

    I asked earlier is it conceivable that the leader of SF was not aware of the circumstances asked about in the segment

    A court will need to decide that and in my opinion going to court risks the airing of a considerable amount of RTÉ archived investigative material

    Precisely. A court will decide, not bored.ie or any of us posters here.

    Journalists have been píssed off now

    OOOOOh nasty!!!!!!

    I'm surprised to be honest at the mis step in advice on how to handle this

    Opening a potential hornets nest of up to now possibly un published material which can be reported on in court proceedings seems stupid to me

    You might be right, but given your apparent hatred of SF I would have thought you'd be jubilant about SF taking a "mis step" as you call it.

    Personally, I feel that SF have generally been very careful about this sort of thing, given the way they have always been treated by RTE in the past. I'd guess, whatever the details of the case, that SF believe they have a solid case that they cannot fail to win. I'd also guess that they are taking this case to ensure that RTE are very careful how they report everything to do with SF in the future. With a view, as someone said above, to RTE being very, very careful between now and the next election.

    But that's just my opinion.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,849 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Read the article. They didn't proceed because they knew Saville would win any case that stemmed from it.

    Testimony (and there probably wasn't even any at the time the journalist is talking about) does not amount to legal proof.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭buried


    And what about when Testimony or evidence can't even be provided when the suspect can literally threaten investigators who are trying to carry out their duties, as what happened with Sir Jimmy and the Yorkshire police? What happens then?

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No

    Insert a comma where I forgot one and apply the bit after the comma as another repeat of what RTE news said of what the case referred to and you have what I meant

    OR just follow the thread because I've been saying prior to this that not accepting that the news division knows what the case involving their department is about,is a charade by posters here

    A charade designed to avoid talking about that morning Ireland segment

    A charade that's as obvious as the wetness of water



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,849 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    As I said, read the article. Their legal advice was that Saville would win any case stemming from it.

    One could probably safely assume that their legal teams might have known a bit more than randomers on internet message boards (including me) who are learning about it for the first time



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    They were either wrong or right. Are we setting it up so that if MLMD wins, she loses because RTE just wanted an easy life so decided to pay? Is that the back up story?

    You still don't get it or are pretending not to.

    Feel free to be critical of the case when we know the details. Slamming and hounding her out of blind hate isn't comment on the case.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    To be clear

    I absolutely DO NOT hate Sinn Féin

    I just am at odds with too much of what they say

    I'd congratulate them if they ever get into government because its going to be a coalition and they'll have had the courage to compromise enough to get FF in with them

    SFFF



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,849 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    That's fine. Jimmy Saville's case also hasn't proceeded to Court pleadings yet so I assume you will likewise support him.

    I don't but you are entitled to if you want to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭buried


    Articles from the same gutter media trash that actively harbored the likes of Saville and the likes of him in the establishment are of no concern to me. And they shouldn't be for you either.

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,849 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    You are free to offer them your legal advice services going forward if you think you know the law better than their existing, or past, legal teams. It's probably a well paid job.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭buried


    Well the police try to do it every day of the week and are constantly pissing into the wind and treated like mugs by the legal racket , so why the f**k should I bother?

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



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