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  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Ukranians are very resourceful people, and they still have control over several nuclear reactors(well capable of making fissile material). I would not be suprised if they have already made enough fissile material for a nuclear bomb or two, or are almost there at this stage. I would not be surprised to see an underground nuclear test by Ukraine this summer



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    One of the Kyiv restaurants hung posters informing about unusual promotion at the entrance. The restaurant will offer everyone a glass of free champagne. However, there is a catch. The offer will only be valid on the day of the death of Russian President Vladimir Putin. This is a reference to a poster that appeared in front of an American restaurant a day after the death of Joseph Stalin.




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭JoChervil




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭thomil


    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Nuclear energy reactors do not make fissile material for a nuclear weapon.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    What's the game here... Even if Russia were successful they were gonna take the land?



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,407 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Rumours twirling around Reddit and Twitter of another Russian warship on fire.



    Edit: a few hours later and no confirmation what caught fire at see. May take a day or two to find out.

    Post edited by TheValeyard on

    All Eyes On Rafah



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,468 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Saw something on Twitter there was a fire at sea but no info yet



  • Registered Users Posts: 54,183 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Forget about your Nuclear Bombs, it feels like the world is missing out on a trick with chip fires



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,512 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I remember it being said at the time of the Moskva sinking (by someone high up in the Ukraine military I think) that they were by no means finished and had a goal of taking out another Russian ship or two in coming weeks).



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  • Registered Users Posts: 761 ✭✭✭mikewest


    Way off topic, sorry.

    Erm... Technically possible but depends on the exact type of reactor and you still have to refine/purify it afterwards. Too shagged to bother pulling up the details.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The Ukrainians may not be able to get a nuclear warhead, but they could always stuff a missile with beef dripping.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Those Orc nutjobs on Hoarde state TV are now suggesting that people who don't support the war should be sterilised. Making NK almost seem sane.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Oil and Gas prices globally are set in US $. Pricing in Roubles is just a side-show. No logic to the argument that somehow pricing in Roubles makes energy more expensive for Western importers, apart from second-order things like greater hedging costs, etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,694 ✭✭✭maebee




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,493 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Mobilisation by Putin would be an admission of failure. However he could still do it. It would also be a high risk strategy. If he pushes untrained soldiers into the battle front there will be serious losses. Can he put the logistics in place to train, arm and move these untrained troops to the front. I am not buying that he can leave these troops at the rear. The existing army is largely made up of one year conscripts not released after duty.

    If he sends untrained and unequipped troops into the battle front his losses will be steep. We already know that the regular army struggles for NCO's to drive the army forward. Where will he gets these in a mass mobilisation

    This is turning into a technology war. If the Ukraine gets air defences and the mobile guided howitzer platforms in place losses in Russian troops would be horrific.

    If the figures are true for tank losses unless the RU army send a mixed bag of older and newer tanks it has lost 50% of its more modern tanks. It has lost a couple thousand APC's. I just cannot see what mobilisation will achieve.

    I would not discount a coup. It was mass mobilisation by the Tsar and sending poorly trained and equipped soldiers with no leadership that caused the Bolshevik Revolution. Actually the Bolsheviks just piggybacked onto it.

    The next week will tell a story one way or the other for better or worse. If the Russian advanced start to crumble and there are setbacks then any possible mobilisation would be doomed to failure IMO

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Advisor to the office of President of Ukraine: At first, anti-Semitic statements by Moscow, now massive missile strikes on Ukrainian cities. Lviv, Vinnytsia, Kirovohrad, Zakarpattia. Russia must be recognized as a sponsor of terrorism. There is less and less difference between the Kremlin and ISIS, even on a verbal level


    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    When countries fail you get to see the true side of Human nature. When Rump czechoslovakia fell in 1939 all the surrounding countries took a chunk including Poland and Hungary. Likewise when Poland fell later that year Russia took their chunk and I think Slovakia and Hungary got minor chunks too. No doubt Putin would offer Hungary a chunk of Ukraine if he could and get concessions in return like move his army through Hungarian territory link up with the Serbs etc.



  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes they do. Especially if they are an older "breeder" type reactor.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    Wanna support genocide?Cheer on the murder of women and children?The Ruzzians aren't rapey enough for you? Morally bankrupt cockroaches and islamaphobes , Israel needs your help NOW!!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 556 ✭✭✭vafankillar


    genuine question, has any side ever been as well militarily & financially supported as ukraine in this war? as bad as the russian army has been compared to what was expected, surely a lot must have to do with the huge backing from other countries



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They make material that can be ultimately refined into fissile material. They are absolutely nowhere near making what is necessary for a nuclear weapon on their own. And if they were putting together labs with centrifuges etc necessary for that refinement it would be a) well known by Western governments and b) not remotely supported to the point of probably cutting off aid.

    Ukraine have not bodged together a couple of nuclear weapons, it is fantasy to think that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Foreign backing has been vital, but it's just one factor. Other factors include the extraordinary resolve/moral in the country to fight, the survival of the Ukrainian leadership, and their experience and preparation stemming from 8 years of war with Russia and it's proxies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭Ceramic


    On a technical point. It depends.

    The VVER reactors, which are the only type now used in Ukraine are pressurised water, light water moderated reactors, very similar to American or French PWR reactors and those used in most places, and they do not produce plutonium.

    The RMBK reactors, which are graphite moderated - the type used at Chernobyl had dual purpose and can produce weapons grade plutonium. This was one of the reasons for the extremely comprised design. So can British gas cooled, graphite moderated reactors. North Korea actually got its weapons grade plutonium by building an old British design that was rather idiotically made public knowledge online as it was an obsolete design, but for a country with limited technical resources, a 1950s design was ideal and was used.

    All that being said, it’s extremely unlikely that Ukraine would have any kind of nuclear weapons.

    They had soviet weapons located there until they agreed to hand them back to Russia, in exchange for a guarantee the Budapest Memorandum (1994), sponsored by the USA and UK.

    France and China also offered formal assurances, China’s are a bit weaker but something that it needs to be very heavily reminded of.

    • ”The Chinese Government has constantly opposed the practice of exerting political, economic or other pressure in international relations. It maintains that disputes and differences should be settled peacefully through consultations on an equal footing. Abiding by the spirit of the Sino-Ukrainian joint communiqué of January 4, 1992 on the establishment of diplomatic relations, the Sino-Ukrainian joint communiqué of October 31, 1992 and the Sino-Ukrainian joint statement of September 6, 1994, China recognizes and respects the independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine, and stands ready to further develop friendly and cooperative Sino-Ukraine relations on the basis of the Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence.”


    It’s also worth noting that while Ukraine physically hosted those weapons, it never had control of them as they were electronically controlled from Moscow.

    Post edited by Ceramic on


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If Orban did anything of the sort, Hungary would be booted out of the EU, and although Orban likes to talk tough with the EU and it's a platform he runs on, Hungarians are majority in favour of being in the EU and would be p*ssed to lose the privileges EU membership affords. Becoming the land bridge between Slavic lands and having an economic alliance with Russia would be a poor, poor consolation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,512 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's far from clear that the Russians even know what a "Nazi" is. It seems to be a catch all insult they hurl at anyone who they feel dislikes Putin and his regime.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,819 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    They could bribe someone in the Russian army to sell one.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭Ceramic


    It would actually make a lot of sense to put a couple of billion euro or dollars down as a massive bribe to get Russian soldiers to defect.

    A lump sum and a visa, if they pass some security checks.

    Could be extremely cost effective too.

    Ukraine was doing some of that but perhaps propping it up with a lot more funds might work …



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