So UFOs aren't a theory anymore - but we still don't know what they are

Getting off topic here lads....

Cool the jets a little.

The Tic Tac objects, what ever they are... Are quite fascinating. Hard to imagine what they could actually be? And what their purpose is?

I'm a big believer in electrical phenomena and ball lightening. I don't think we have investigated it half enough, and may be the source of a lot of unexplained bright light events.

But the Tic Tac is something else.. The object seems to be navigating? If it is navigating, then what is its purpose? Is the blurry appearance at times due to the object vibrating?? Is the objects speed in the atmosphere causing the visual distortion?

Is the object being piloted, operated remotely or none of the above?

What is the reason for entering the water from time to time? Is there a reason to enter the water at that exact location, or is it just random?

How does it (do they), not bounce off the Empire State Building in New York? Appear above a capacity Wembley Stadium? Land or park up on the White House Lawn?

Are they electrical sprites following an unseen weather corridor?

Electrical warm air meeting cold air natural reaction??

I haven't a bull's notion what they are.. I'd like to see a scientific study done on them though.

I put that user in ignore because it's obvious they're off on tangents and I won't be distracted by someone trying to stir thing's up. Let them rant away.

You're entitled to your opinion, whatever that may be.

Just because we're having a discussion they're trying to derail it, for what reason I don't know. Maybe it's personal.

He is not receiving the attention he requires. No one is going to tolerate his childish manner of posting and hurling insults. It is absurd that he quotes other people's posts and has not grasped that we have had enough of his behavior. I would respond differently if he had different mannerisms and attitudes, but I will not, so he should not waste his time. There are other debunkers who are insulting as well, though they are not as obnoxious, so I reply to them as well. Some are borderline, though, so I may ignore them in the future,. I am a patient individual and am willing to tolerate a great deal, however it is not worth my time to converse with someone who believes he is right all the time and you are wrong about everything.

I am not always accurate and I lack some knowledge about certain sciences and other things as well as some language skills. As a result, I do make mistakes as I proceed. There is a problem with the debunkers on this site - they do not really take the time to discuss details with you. Look at the 9/11 thread. There is not a single post disputing my claim that there is no freefall in the NIST collapse model. What are these posts telling us about debunkers? There should be no problem in writing a reply refuting everything I said about freefall here. Freefall is one of the main arguments for controlled demolition, but not a single debunker has demonstrated it in the NIST model for all these years!!!!!

If you suggest that aliens might be operating these objects in the sky, people will go off in a huff indicating that UFOs are neither vehicles nor craft. The deniers are a strange lot. Though I rarely insult, I sometimes get passive-aggressive with the tone of my replies, and trying to tone that back.

Well suggesting anything around some debunkers will only draw in more debunking they're programmed to be uncreative and are quite repetitive and unable to think for themselves or exchange ideas. They'll say the same about the people they're debating.

You'll outline your side of the argument and they'll still say you haven't answered their question. And they'll demand you answer the way they want it. But leave them off, yer man has been put on ignore and it'll stay that way. He's probably bouncing up and down now because he's not getting what he wants. Bringing up other threads etc and trying to pit me into making a judgment on you on behalf of your ideas outside of the subject matter.

There's definitely a want there, and he can waffle away until next Wednesday if he likes but I'm not engaging with him.

He seems to be in denial :)

Fork lightening for instance...

It's starting point to it's 'ending' point takes a split second. (granted, there would be numerous branched in one strike).

But..

The beginning of the strike (the original flash point), fizzles out as the branches of lightening shoot across the sky.

The lightening strike(s), have a jagged, zig zag pathway from start to finish.. Why not straight lines? Why not just one lightening explosion and be done with it? What makes the lightening tentacles twist, turn and stretch for miles as they die out?

The Tic Tac jumping around could be seen as similar? Darting off in different directions, making impossible turns (impossible to us), maybe not even aware of us, as it's nothing more than a natural unexplained weather phenomena?

What about electrical activity being driven by a magnetic force above in the skies?

Did one theory of the Bermuda Triangle, not suggest that a magnetic force sent the cockpit dials into disarray, sending the pilots off on a different flight path, and ultimately to their doom?

Or the science backed evidence that there is some sort of weird goings on above Skinwalker Ranch. Maybe only weird because we don't understand it yet?

Weather fronts and jet streams follow a trajectory (most of the time), like an unseen force pushing forward. What if there was a trajectory that carried electrically charged particles at a super speed? A trajectory that changed at random and was totally sporadic?

We don't know everything..

Like some parts of the Indian Ocean man has never seen, I'm sure likewise can be said for the heavens too?

Observations of UFOs over large urban areas are rare. The only two instances that come to mind are the Pheonix lights and Reports of UFOs from the Hudson Valley. These objects do not seek publicity or wish to be observed by more people. Most cases appear to occur around nuclear sites, military bases, and remote villages. Therefore, UFOs would be interested in human military capabilities as well as any activities taking place in these small remote communities; as a result, it appears that they are not very interested in notifying us on a broad scale of their presence. There was a fravor sighting somewhere off the west coast, far from land too..

When pilots are seeing what appears to be solid objects moving up and down sideways, it is evidently not a weather phenomenon. In the video that I posted on page 9 a pilot discusses his experience with one of the Nimitz UFOs, providing answers to a variety of debunker questions about why this is not a natural phenomenon or a plane. In the course of the conversation, he discusses what his onboard computer was telling him about the object he was chasing. 

Happy travels, but you may not see what you saw again, who knows?  

Thanks, I'm heading out there some evening during the week.

Do you follow much of these things on Instagram ?

I follow a lot of the sasquatch, paranormal and UFO page's. I'd love an encounter with something off the charts. Like seeing a Portal open up or something similar to Skinwalker ranch. Some people would suggest that there's a high concentration of minerals or magnetic chaos ayit plays tricks on the mind.

I wouldn't mind either way, I love thrill seeking lol

There is no logic to what you are saying. The claim that millions of people have been captured by aliens is false, and many abduction stories are ridiculed and debunked by ufologists. The mere fact that someone claims to see an alien UFO does not mean it is true. There are many videos of UFOs from Turkey that appear to be a craft over the sea, but how can you confirm it is a genuine craft from another planet? The object in Turkey hidden behind a dark backdrop. It appears to be quite neat at first glance, but it could easily be a mock fake, so it is very hard to confirm its authenticity. 

This here Turkey UFO.

Apparently, there is a 23 minute video in the possession of the US that shows clear evidence of the UFO's strange origins, although it is still classified. There are more videos in the US that have not been released. Elizonda obtained the other three videos since they were not classified, just paperwork needed to be filed in order to get them released, There is some very compelling old video of UFOs from the Soviet Union. One video shows a fighter pilot chasing a long cylinder UFO; another shows two disk-like craft merging; from what I recall, 

Using drone technology, we could conceivably capture high-definition footage of a UFO. Drones are equipped with cameras. A UFO at 30,000 feet up in the air cannot be seen too clearly unless you are using a 1000 dollar or Euro camera. 

https://www.history.com/news/ufo-sightings-speed-appearance-movement

AATIP 

UFOs/ Objects/ Vehicles - whichever term you like is used to describe them - meet five criteria indicating that they are unusual and not normal flying objects. They can be found at the bottom of the link.

The observed observables do not match what is known about current flight technology.  

Because of other possibilities, I do not assume that they are aliens, but I am open to the idea based on the reports and things that have been observed by military pilots and commercial pilots, as well as eyewitnesses. If you do not believe the craft could be a non-human craft from someplace, that is a matter for you to resolve on your own. Again, do not say anything. I do not believe there are alien spacecraft : That is your view, should we simply accept it as correct since Shifty is an authority on the issue? My dude, I am going to side with pilots who were actually there.

It is not worth my time to respond to the rant. 

These are military encounters with objects that defy the laws of physics as we understand them. We have progressed beyond what a common man can or cannot see on a smart phone. Pilots with a career in fighter aircraft would not report such a situation if there was no truth to it. To continue to be denialistic does not reflect the situation. 

Maybe they're camera shy.

Maybe you're right.

According to most ufologists, only 5% of UFO reports are genuine, everything else can be explained with more information. Are there any documented instances of their presence in cornfields or are they simply some crazy people having a bit of crack and producing artwork? They have been sighted around military installations since the 1950s, but there are far too many documented cases to discuss them here. On UFO forums, you will find people discussing old cases that most people have never heard of,  

Listen to this tape. This is a recording of air force personnel investigating strange objects at Bentwaters Air Base during the 1980s. You will hear what they saw in the sky. Col. Halt was the deputy commander of this nuclear base, so he was a serious individual.

 Many, but this one good.