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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭RYEL


    Unherd the cow site as a source.

    Are you a cow Tom, a cow who likes to avoid herds and behave in unmissable ways.

    As the founder of unherd described his target readers.

    Owned by a brexit supporting man whose business got started with a little help by George Soros.



  • Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭RYEL


    Who is retarded?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Correction: they welcome immigrants who are White with open arms, or that seems to be very much the case. The groundswell of "most people" was remarkably absent when we were looking down the barrel of the Syrian crisis(well save for Twitter breast thumping over a dead kid on a greek beach whose name they didn't know without google). A crisis that also involved the facist in the Kremlin, mass killings, even gas attacks which would be a "line crossed" in Ukraine and six and half million displaced people who left the country, double that of Ukraine. A crisis where we took in just three thousand over a ten year period, half of them under 16 and each one was processed, vetted and background checked. We've taken in nearly ten times that in just two months from Ukraine, with near zero vetting and instant access to social welfare, healthcare, work and education, even driving licences. The muppet who reversed a truck into the Russian embassy gates who so many clapping seals cheered on was the same muppet who campaigned against DP centres. When the babies for passports loophole, which was almost exclusively used by Brown and Black people, was put to the vote it was slammed shut by a clear majority of "most people". And the same "most people" if you ask them about immigrants and multiculturalism are most likely to think of Brown and Black people, yet the percentage of White European people who are immigrants to Ireland dwarfs any other group and by a goodly margin. So I'd not put too much faith in "most people" and certaintly not as some sort of argument, because you might be disappointed.

    1) Nobody is arguing "everything that is wrong with Ireland" about anything. That's entirely in your imagination. Yet another example of misdirection and misrepresentation.

    2) The "old men of Boards" another example of play the player because you clearly can't play the ball. Your argument is that thin. And you know it, or you wouldn't feel the need to go there.

    3) Anyone who with a straight face can say we don't have a bloated and duplicated NGO sector, either works for one or quite simply can't count.

    4) In damned near every area of politics,; housing, health, infrastructure "the people of Ireland" will regularly point out we have almost no real alternatives to FF/FG and the country is treated to an endless cycle of one following the other, or like now in it together, shifting around a middle avoiding anything like innovative or joined up thinking on pretty much any matter. It's one of the biggest reasons SF has gotten so popular. They're seen as an alternative to the FF/FG hegemony(They almost certainly won't be). Labour is dead on its feet, the Left independents went off the reservation long ago with zero chance of changing anything and a tiny voter base. Independents like Wallace and Daly are either convicted chancers or too daft for the mainstream pensioned off to the seanad or Brussels. The Right are a midget with notions and a voter base you could count on one hand after an industrial accident. Our media outlets plough the same middle furrow and almost never stray beyond it. The demographic shift in Irish society is one of the largest and fastest in Irish history and it has almost never been discussed.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Um, I didn't say anything about posters being called old men.

    As for my actual comment, it was an instinctive post, and stupid to do. I realise it's difficult because you think you got a reaction, but just forget it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 36 Mr.KarateII


    They said there would be no limit to how many refugees Ireland will take in. That is unlimited immigration no matter how much you want to spin it.



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  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In all fairness there was no shortage of people claiming to be Syrian in direct provision who arrived here sans documents. Effectively europe at the mass movement of up to 3 million people from the middle east in 2015/2016 claiming to flee Syria, bringing massive problems with them(mass sexual assaults and gangrape being the headline crimes). So why would europe take more of the same.

    With regards the Ukranians, have only seen one reported migrant gang rape witj a ukranian of iraqi origina and a ukranian of nigerian origin arrested. The media are some whores.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What makes you think I want to spin anything...? You are aware of the manner of my posts to this thread, aren't you?

    Realistically, the govt will be forced, by circumstances, to retract the unlimited refugee statement. Already there's been a lot of rumbling by Irish people about the numbers, the reaction by the govt to the crisis, and the potential costs... and that's even after the major guilt trip being put out by the media. We're likely to see between 20k-100k come to Ireland over the space of a year. That's still not unlimited immigration. When we start seeing one or two million aiming to come here, then, I'll agree with your unlimited immigration stance.

    Now, there's already a thread on Ukrainian refugees, so I'm going to leave this here.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There's rumblings indeed, about how we need to get more people to safety. We must be doing something right if Russia thinks threatening us is going to make us change course. Hopefully the govt stays the course and keeps bringing more folks here to safety




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Arrest them. Have large fines for blocking a deportation. Have them charged with aiding and abetting a criminal. They were quick enough to criminalise the fuel protesters. The left need to be shown that they are not above the law.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm reminded of a deportation case a few years ago in Athenry where I was living at the time.

    A Brazilian family had been living there for 10-15 years I think, had kids born here, all in the local schools, the parents worked locally and were well known.

    The husband got picked up and brought to a holding cell somewhere. Word got around the town within minutes and within hours there was an orchestrated campaign, calling TD's, Councillors, media, an active social media campaign etc etc.

    It took a while, but he was released back to his family. After a few months a process started to regularise the whole family. A great result in fairness.

    It served nobody deporting the man and the local community knew it and acted fast to ensure it didn't happen.

    As for the locals, nobody was arrested or fined etc. Quite the opposite, there was a fantastic sense of togetherness afterwards that brought the community closer.

    Athenry is actually a great example of multiculturalism in Ireland with folks there from Brazil, Poland, Philippines, India, Nigeria, Mozambique, China etc etc etc. A wonderful, close and diverse community



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Husband should have been in Dublin airport within a few hours. And out of the country within another few.

    Criminality should not be rewarded. He had no right to be here. Anyone blocking the deportation order should have been held in contempt of court and jailed, even for a few hours. It may not seem like a harsh punishment, but the conviction would follow them around and soften their cough.

    Are there any other crimes you don't think should have consequences?? Assault? Rape? Burglary? Fraud?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    I've said it before, but it's the only sphere of law where media campaigns and local mobs are able to stop the enforceability. Immigration laws are treated like something that don't matter, where emotion and feelings can override them with enough force. And the same people who cheer for this are the same ones who tell us that Ireland doesn't have all but open borders.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The local community, TD's, County Councillors and the Minister for Justice all disagree with you



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    The Minister for Justice made the deportation order and conceded under opposition .



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Aye, great to see what a community can do when brought together to save one of their own



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,919 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Yes, we've seen communities pressuring authorities to ignore law breaking, happens al the time with travelers for example. It's doesn't mean it's a good thing and certainly doesn't mean we should celebrate it.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't know, keeping a loving family intact is cause for celebration in my book.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    A community, or more so a plane full of people, came together in the UK to stop the deportation of a rapist. Certain posters here likely cheered on that act.


    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭RYEL


    Keeping a family together seems to be supported by the constitution.


    "1.1°: The State recognises the Family as the natural primary and fundamental unit group of Society, and as a moral institution possessing inalienable and imprescriptible rights, antecedent and superior to all positive law.

    1.2°: The State, therefore, guarantees to protect the Family in its constitution and authority, as the necessary basis of social order and as indispensable to the welfare of the Nation and the State."

    What illegal action did the minister perform in scrapping a deportation order?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭RYEL


    Sure tom people in Ireland cheered on an event that happened in the UK on a plane. Sure they did.


    I mean you might as well type whatever suits your narrative and makes you feel good the truth is not something this thread is really concerned with when hyperbole is needed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,919 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Yes absolutely this is why they should have deported them all :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Who said it was illegal?? It was absolutely spineless, but legal. It's the reason why the Minister of Justice should not have the power of pardon. Justice is meant to be blind and apply to everyone equally. Don't want to face the consequences of your criminality? Don't do the crime.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It bears repeating, The local community, TD's, County Councillors and the Minister for Justice all disagree with you

    Either way, its a moot point now, as these folks are now on the path to citizenship now and will have their Irish passports in good time. Delighted for them



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,919 ✭✭✭Cordell



    1 It doesn't make it right. In another case the local community set fire to a hotel earmarked for DPC, were you equally happy to support that community as well?

    2 It is, it's also a slap on the face for those who came here going through proper channels and especially for those who in good faith applied for a visa and got denied. And I suppose life is not fair, but it's disappointing to have the minister of justice behind such unfair and unjust treatment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭RYEL


    So a family that assimilated or integrated to the point of being supported by the local community when faced with deportation is not the sort of immigrant we want is it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    If they could legally come here, why not go through the official channels?

    Unskilled, illegal, immigration is exactly not the sort of immigration we want.

    Or should we just open the floodgates. I'm sure there are very sound people all over the world who'd love to come here but don't qualify for a visa.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Nice and rosy picture, which ignores the fact that they broken the law for years.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Its ok though, the govt have changed the law so all these folks will be legal now so no need to worry about it



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Intent is the cornerstone of the law, and he/they intended and did break the law, so any change in standards thereafter is irrelevant to my point.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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