Katie Taylor v. Amanda Serrano

eagle eye · 03-05-2022 4:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119009133#Comment_119009133

I was talking about Serrano in case you missed that.

walshb · 03-05-2022 4:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119010458#Comment_119010458

Poster was meant to quote someone else.

normanoffside · 03-05-2022 10:39pm

I watched the Ring podcast on this. Michael Montero says he scored the fight at the time and then again after watching a reply afterwards and had it 6-4 to Taylor both times despite changing scoring on various rounds. (First time he gave Taylor, 1,2,3,8,9 ,10 and second time he gave her 1,2,4,7,8,9). He basically says that 3,4,7 and 10 were tossup rounds and that even 6 could have been scored either way.

He also says the judges scoring it 7-3 to Taylor were wrong but also criticises Chris Mannix for giving 3 of the first 4 rounds to Serrano (despite the fact that Mannix ended up scoring it 5-5).

Basically what I take from this is that scoring it 7-4 or even 8-2 Taylor was perfectly legit.

Serrano really only won the 5th clearly and edged the 6th but everything else you could legitimately give to Taylor. I definitely think the first Persoon fight was closer and I scored that one to Taylor too.

People are clouded by the fact that the clearest round of the fight was the 5th to Serrano but that only gets her 1 point.

walshb · 03-05-2022 10:59pm

Yep. Folks hung up on the very strong rd 5. Then takes time to shake that feeling, and it can influence how you view and interpret what comes after. Rd 5 was 10-9 only, although 10-8 on one card. I simply scored each round like it as the first round, as the judges do.

normanoffside · 03-05-2022 11:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119012521#Comment_119012521

Someone very wisely said that everyone agrees Taylor won round 1, 8 and 9 while Serrano won 5 and 6 clearly. That makes it 3-2 on clear rounds to Taylor and you can really score the other 5 how you like.

04-05-2022 1:00am

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Could be. Wouldn't want to be trying to run cross-country and box at the same time, that's for sure.

Patsy167 · 04-05-2022 9:26am

Does anyone know why Serrano appeared to be wearing regular runners in the fight? It looked like they weren't giving the same support that boxing shoes would.

Patsy167 · 04-05-2022 10:13am

I don't for a minute buy the talk of a Croke Park October fight. It is complete posturing to keep the Irish fans happy with no genuine intention of making it happen. Back to NY in December far more realistic.

eagle eye · 04-05-2022 11:28am

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Katie made it clear she wants to fight here. They'll fill the place and the atmosphere will be electric. I'd say it's 99% certain to happen. The GAA will be delighted to have Ireland's most popular sportsperson advertising Croke Park.

Patsy167 · 04-05-2022 11:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119013855#Comment_119013855

I really do hope you are right but it's a hell of a risk if they are targeting October. Not ideal for those attending or the worldwide PPV audience.

Dodge · 04-05-2022 12:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119013946#Comment_119013946

There won’t be a worldwide PPV audience. It’ll be on DAZN

Looking forward to the first Irish politician to call for it to be on RTE though

Patsy167 · 04-05-2022 12:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119014027#Comment_119014027

An October bout with require both women to start a training camp in June at the latest. I guess its doable but its tough on them with the amount of damage they took.

walshb · 04-05-2022 1:40pm

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No it would not...training camps are anywhere from 8-12 weeks really

normanoffside · 04-05-2022 3:11pm

While I still hope Katie retires I think she will probably improve for a rematch.

She won the 2nd Persoon fight much more clearly and seemed to have learned from her mistakes in the first fight.

If she can just avoid doing what she did in round 5 it should be a fairly clear victory.

walshb · 04-05-2022 3:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119015130#Comment_119015130

Hmm, but Persoon is a fighter a lot easier to learn from and improve for....

Serrano has a lot more technical skills, as well as the proven ability now to get to and hurt Katie.

Saying if she can avoid doing what she did isn't at all easy. Katie tried pretty much all night to box smart, move, hit and not get hit; but you can't always do that. Like I said before, her defense is not like Mayweather's or Toney's, so she needs to rely on feet and movement much more.

It was Katie's heart and guts and fight when she was trapped and needed to fight/survive that likely won her scores in the judges' minds.

For most the fight Katie negated Serrano with her movement, feet, spoiling and scoring. She juts had a few moment where she was forced to fight.

Katie's biggest weaknesses for me (for Searrano) are Katie's lack of physical presences/strength, and her lack of any real power. Serrano seemed to boss the flow more, and was physically stronger. Katie is not physically that durable/strong

Katie could win a rematch, but it would be a very risky fight in my view.

Tombo2001 · 04-05-2022 3:42pm

Katie should move on from this - she does not want to take that beating again, even though she won. She should cash in on a Croke park gig with 80'000 people and then retire.

She has achieved more than enough in the ring.

Patsy167 · 04-05-2022 5:13pm

DAZN announced today that 1.5 million watched the fight on its platform on Saturday

walshb · 04-05-2022 5:22pm

Be interesting to see the numbers for Canelo this week; probably less due to U.S. and Canada needing to pay quite a whack to watch it

04-05-2022 8:51pm

Katie should rematch Serrano in Croker.

Katie is clearly the better boxer and will have learned loads from that fight.

Rematch in Croker and sail off into the sunset.

Sunny Disposition · 05-05-2022 9:05am

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Yeah, I thought the fact it’d be on DAZN meant there’s be no pay per views as such. But then I heard a woman on 2FM say a rematch probably wouldn’t be in Dublin because it’d be hard sell PPVs. Does DAZN charge for certain fights as well as charging a subscription in the US?

Dodge · 05-05-2022 10:18am

She was probably just bluffing. DAZN do PPV in the US but (despite what some will say) womens boxing isn’t at that stage yet IMO. Doesn’t matter if it’s in Dublin or Vegas

The Canelo fight this weekend is $80 if you’re not a DAZN subscriber in the US and $60 if you are (on top of your $20 a month sub)

Patsy167 · 05-05-2022 3:41pm

Does anyone know why a homecoming parade/party to celebrate Katy Taylor's victory at the weekend was not considered? It might be laughed at but think of how much economic activity and memories for kids it would generate.

Brock Turnpike · 06-05-2022 9:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119019894#Comment_119019894

Why would it? Should every individual match/performance/victory from an Irish sportsperson or team necessitate a homecoming?

celt262 · 06-05-2022 9:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119016526#Comment_119016526

I wonder would they put on a second night if it sold out quick and demand was there?

Calahonda52 · 06-05-2022 9:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119022317#Comment_119022317

Yes Yes yes in general and particularly in this case.

Are you on misogynistic light milk?

Dodge · 06-05-2022 10:37am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119022359#Comment_119022359

Ah here, it’s not misogynistic to suggest ‘homecomings’ should be very limited in their use.

Sunny Disposition · 06-05-2022 10:43am

I'm guessing she hasn't come back to Ireland? Haven't seen pictures of her anyway.

Hearn has said that a rematch in Dublin in October isn't a runner. I'd say if it happens it'll be after St Patrick's Day 2023.

Brock Turnpike · 06-05-2022 11:19am

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One of the stupidest posts I've ever seen on boards. And that's saying something.

walshb · 06-05-2022 11:34am

We only do homecomings when we reach quarter finals....:)

Patsy167 · 06-05-2022 11:55am

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It feels like a massive missed opportunity. It's not often we have a sportsperson achieve greatness on the world stage so why not?

Sunny Disposition · 06-05-2022 12:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119022962#Comment_119022962

I wouldn't necessarily see it as a missed opportunity tbf. Is she definitely back in Ireland and did she want an event like that? You'd have to be sure she was available and amenable to say it's a missed opportunity. It would have been a nice event though, and helped promote female participation in sport.

walshb · 06-05-2022 1:13pm

katie is not livng in Ireland, though. She is based and trains in the U.S.

So, no real homecoming to do.

Morrison J · 07-05-2022 12:01pm

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She hasn't been home. Canelo invited her to his fight in Vegas tonight. Going to be introduced to the crowd at some stage apparently.

walshb · 09-05-2022 6:27pm

Didn’t take Serrano long to change her tune. She’s had time to reflect.

Eoinbmw · 09-05-2022 6:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119037766#Comment_119037766

Just hyping up for the rematch!

blade1 · 09-05-2022 7:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119037766#Comment_119037766

She said she thought she won the fight when interviewed in the ring after the fight.

walshb · 09-05-2022 7:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119037907#Comment_119037907

Yes, that’s right. I wasn’t buying into her “magnanimous” in defeat. She’s now subtly pushing the robbed agenda that her twit promoter is on..

section4 · 11-05-2022 2:00am

I think Katie should retire , she is looking a lot more bashed up these days, her nose was badly damaged in that fight

obviously the rematch is worth a lot and yes maybe she should go fir that, but she in boxing a long time and I don’t like it when I see a boxer as badly damaged around the nose and eyes as she is now. One of the things that I liked about her was that she was good and still retained her nice features , I find when boxers do not notice how their face is changing it is not a good sign.

I seen too many ex pros walking around years after they retired in a bad way.

finbarrk · 02-02-2023 9:09am

Looks like the Three Arena. If it happens. Better I think.

https://www.sportsjoe.ie/boxing/katie-taylor-dublin-fight-croke-park-281978

The Nal · 02-02-2023 9:42am

From 13 mins in here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXNxFD7C4wo&ab_channel=MMAFightingonSBN

walshb · 02-02-2023 9:48am

GAA loves the money!!!

Big Ears · 02-02-2023 10:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120190632#Comment_120190632

Maybe, but it is noteworthy that Landsdowne wasn't chosen as an alternative.

Plenty of concerts manage to rent Croke Park and make a significant profit, and the government had outlined they were willing to help get a Taylor fight over the line at Croke Park.

I reckon Eddie is just afraid it would sell badly and the financial risk would be too high.

Dodge · 02-02-2023 11:03am

Lansdowne is not available on the date they wanted - May 20th

I don’t think you can ever take the word of a boxing promoter for gospel either

funkey_monkey · 02-02-2023 1:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120190632#Comment_120190632

That they do.

However, pricing yourself out of the market is a dumb move. Is Eddie being honest here - 3 times more???

walshb · 02-02-2023 1:47pm

I think 3Arena make for far better viewing/atmosphere. It will absolutely sell out no bother. Tickets be pricey, though due to capacity being far less than Croke Park. I think 3Arena only about 10000 capacity

avfc1874 · 02-02-2023 1:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120190910#Comment_120190910

I don't think it would sell out, woman's boxing like football or gaa isn't as well supported as made out, a lot of the tickets are heavily subserdised for woman's soccer, like kids go free,

I wouldn't believe anything Eddie hearn said, he cares only for his pocket,

People wouldn't pay big money to watch women's boxing, they'd talk the talk saying id definitely go, but when they see the ticket prices, it'd be ah I'll probably watch it on the telly ,

Eddie hearn is a business man, he's not going to agree the boxers fee, which he won't be able to back out of, Only half fill the stadium, which would mean less profit for him,

Can anyone think of any boxing promoter who cared more about their fighters health/wellbeing than money?

Any boxing book I've read, the fighter was 9 times out of 10 shafted by the promoter,

I heard someone say it'd sell out in minutes 🤔🤔🙄

AdrianG08 · 02-02-2023 2:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120191687#Comment_120191687

Don't ever underestimate the Irish publics ability to jump on a bandwagon.

If enough people on facebook read about a cow sh*tting in a field, 100k would buy tickets to see it.

walshb · 02-02-2023 2:14pm

Croke Park would sell out, and not because of the huge interest in women’s boxing. It’s a once in a lifetime historic type event. People would go just to be there. Nothing to do with even liking sport. Hype hype hype. Always sells. Lot people are just event junkies. And Katie is a huge name here, as well as being globally known.

zetecescort · 02-02-2023 2:27pm

GAA claiming they are unwilling to pay extra security costs which is fair enough imo. Why should they pay for keeping the Kinihans in check?

avfc1874 · 02-02-2023 2:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120191803#Comment_120191803

, Point taken. All the Huns on tour ,🤪

Katie Taylor v. Amanda Serrano

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