US Supreme Court to overturn Roe vs Wade

Oh wow.

There is no right to privacy in the US Constitution. The Roe V Wade decision concocted one out of whole cloth based on the 4th and 9th amendments. Those deal with "unreasonable search and seizure" and unenumerated rights. Nothing to do with a generalised right to privacy that Roe based abortion rights on. It's not even clear what a right to "privacy" means since privacy means different things in different contexts.

Men like women have no right to undergo "medical procedures" that intentionally result in the killing of another human being. The other problem with Roe is that it doesn't even bother to address whether abortion kills a human being (which is the rationale for laws against abortion.)

You haven't bothered to address this either. If you think a law protecting innocent human life at the cost of individual autonomy (just like every law against murder) shouldn't exist then you have to argue why that life isn't worthy of protection. (Or why that which I'm calling a life isn't a life). Pro-choicers have no interest in doing this. They do an end-run around the argument by just writing the whole thing off as a "private medical decision".

You shouldn't even think about arguing from the Equal Protection Clause until you've addressed those questions.

It’s true that any changes in law in the US in relation to some of these issues may have no direct impact on anyone here in Ireland, but, the relationship between laws in the US, and laws in Ireland, and how one influences the other, is unquestionable.

If you look into the background of what led to the 8th Amendment in Ireland, it was directly influenced by the decision in Roe v Wade for example -

As per sections 58 and 59 of the Offences against the Person Act 1861, abortion was already illegal in Ireland. However, anti-abortion campaigners feared the possibility of a judicial ruling in favour of allowing abortion. In McGee v. Attorney General (1973), the Supreme Court of Ireland had ruled against provisions of the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1935 prohibiting the sale and importation of contraception on the grounds that the reference in Article 41 to the "imprescriptable rights, antecedent and superior to all positive law" of the family conferred upon spouses a broad right to privacy in marital affairs.

The Pro-Life Amendment Campaign (PLAC) was founded in 1981 to campaign against a ruling in Ireland similar to Roe v. Wade. Prior to the 1981 general election, PLAC lobbied the major Irish political parties – Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and the Labour Party – to urge the introduction of a Bill to allow the amendment to the constitution to prevent the Irish Supreme Court so interpreting the constitution as giving a right to abortion. The leaders of the three parties – respectively Charles Haughey, Garret FitzGerald and Frank Cluskey – agreed although there was little consultation with any of their parties' ordinary members. All three parties were in government over the following eighteen months, but it was only in late 1982, just before the collapse of a Fianna Fáil minority government, that a proposed wording for the amendment was produced.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland

http://constitutionproject.ie/?p=717

Personally, I think it’s premature to be getting excited about the contents of a draft opinion, but at the same time I know that whatever the outcomes of any decision, it will undoubtedly influence attitudes to abortion in Ireland as a consequence of influencing attitudes to abortion in the US.

Feel free to explain why I'm wrong. It's why we're here. This ain't Twitter so use as many words as you want.

What is an abortion? What does it result in?

How about these?

Interesting you say "rights" to privacy. Plural. As I said, privacy can mean different things in different contexts. My point was that deriving a generalised right to privacy from the 4th and 9th amendments is nonsense. As for "what conservative voters want", my guess is if you were to weigh up overturning Roe against the non-existent right to privacy that comes from Roe, they'd overturn Roe. If you don't think so, then you do not understand conservative voters.

Yes. It's a state issue now. Perhaps one day the court could rule that abortion is unconstitutional, citing the Equal Protection Clause (on behalf of the unborn child). Some have argued that this would be correct. But this won't happen in the lifetime of this court.

Irrelevant. They can consider what they like in the decision.

-Yawn- I'm not trying to compel you. I'm saying that your entire argument begs the question as to whether unborn humans are human beings worthy of rights and you and other pro-choicers seem completely uninterested in engaging in a discussion about whether or not that's actually true or not.

That's an incoherent statement. A mother and unborn do not "cohabit" the same organic being. That's the wrong way to describe it. The mother is one organic being. The foetus is a separate organic being. The foetus happens to be inside the womb. Not sure how any of that is essential to the murderer/victim relationship. Worth noting the abortionist involved is regarded as the "murderer" in most anti-abortion legislation.

You're making the same mistake as the Roe V Wade decision. You're mistaking the right against "unreasonable search and seizure" in the 4th Amendment for a general right to privacy. You can't be forced to give your DNA to a government database for the same reason a cop can't search your house without either a warrant or probable cause.

It's an end run because you're writing abortion off as a "private medical decision" that the law has no business regulating without even engaging with the points of pro lifers that the unborn foetus is a human being worthy of the right to life.

Great. Let's do this old routine where we stand on the grave of Savita Halappanavar and completely ignore the coroner's report which stated she died due to sepsis and medical incompetence that led to her sepsis being misdiagnosed and had it not been initially misdiagnosed, either an abortion wouldn't have been necessary or one would have been carried out in time to save her life because the 8th Amendment allowed abortions to save the life of the woman.