Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

I still can't get over the fact that they think that those terms trump reality. They think that just shouting about being a "decent human", a "compassionate person", is a knock out blow, but really it means nothing at all. It's just something that they think that they can shame people with. Also, as has nearly always been the case with humans, the people who make regular claims of being X, are usually the opposite. The smart man doesn't run around telling everyone how smart he is, the good person doesn't run around telling everyone how good they are. They are those things in the purest sense so they don't live with a need to convince the world of their credentials.

I mentioned the Ukrainian refugees impact on housing in the accommodation thread, amongst 20 other, obviously unallowed, issues on housing.

I was told by the moderator that if I wanted to discuss those significant factors of housing that it won't be allowed in the accommodation section, and to try the political forums instead. Sounds legit, doesn't it? A tightly controlled narrow narrative that benefits some.l, it's across all media. It's not a complaint, just a statement of how things are. There's nothing wrong with transparency. That's the way it is. Fine.

Hence serious, impactful issues are sent off to die out of sight. The Ukrainian refugee numbers being allowed into the country are a most serious detriment on top of the existing, rapidly failing housing fiasco. Mentioning it or discussing it has nothing to do with ukrainians themselves, it's not an attack on them, but an attack on the decisions being made here.

Despite best efforts, even the controlled media are having to let slip the odd article now. That's when you know it's spinning out of control, when even they begin to acknowledge out of spite. Look at the below. Sounds great!

And then you read about the impending pension crisis, and everything else. I read that the country "needs" an additional 4 million migrants to prop up pensions by the year 2050. What kind of a mickey mouse haimze of a leadership has lead us here? It's genuinely unbelievable to credit. Totally out of control. Talk about a pyramid scheme.

What's after that, an additional 8 million migrants needed to support the 4 million migrants by 2080?

I don't think people realise how truly and utterly screwed this country is. And that's because barely a word is allowed said about it.

So, no, it isn't about migrants, or ukrainians or their personal attributes, likes, dislikes or preferences. It's nothing to do with them at all. It's all about us, and what we're going to have to do to re-establish some semblance of normal function and society.

It's been explained to you several times.

Syria is not in Europe. Flooding Europe and the EU with millions of refugees in order to destabilize Europe and the EU is a tactic employed by Putin and his Soviet expansionists.

But lets be honest you didn't want Syrians either did you? You've you just changed the names on your contrary template.

Where did this "Putin is the one behind the migrant crisis" narrative come from exactly? I've heard it several times, yet I'm assuming it's something that people are just making up, because it makes no sense. If Putin is behind it all, why have the EU facilitated it? Why has nearly every policy they've created made it easier to come here and not harder? Are they in bed with Putin or something? Is that it?

What "migrant crisis"?

You mean the millions of Ukrainians who have fled their country because of Soviet Expansion?

Obviously thought the answer would be quite obvious.

Best to ask a question and let you try figure it out.

Why do you think Putin targets civilians en masse, whether that be using missiles, cluster munitions, mass rape or mass executions? - think about he doesn't need to, does he?

Then his bot farms try and paint Ukrainians fleeing that as corrupt, nazis, skin head gang members or welfare tourists just on a jolly who will jump ahead of EU citizens for health and housing.

All though this thread is doing most of the work for them. I'm sure their grateful.

Huh?

Why do we want any more people here, whether they contribute or not, in a country that is failing?

Are they bringing their own houses with them into the housing crisis? Great.

Are they bringing hospitals with them into the stuttering health system? Cool.

Are they going to reduce the looming affordability crisis? Nice.

Or do you think that what this country is lacking is more exchequer deficit to be propped failingly?

Did you know that some economists predict that in order to maintain our la la Land that an additional 4 million people are needed by the year 2050? I'll tell you why that insanity is coming, it is because of the blinkered insanity of today.

No, we need less people. It doesn't matter what they are doing or not doing, our problems are based on the amount, not quality. We need sustainable planning, forethought and resource management.

Ukrainians or not, more people is simply divvying up scare resource. If the goody two shoes want to improve resource, do that first, then invite people second. I have a feeling you'll be waiting a long, long time for any kind of sustainable approach like that.

Stop advocating for other people, now and in the future, to clean up the very serious messes your emotions invite today. Think, not feel.

They are people in emergency need due to their lives being torn apart and destroyed. We can share a bit of what we have with them to help them.

Most people here should be comparatively well off. If you are not comparatively well off yourself compared to someone who has lost their home, and livelihood, and probably family members, then you probably need to take a step back and reconsider your own life choices that led you to that. They have the excuse of the war. You have no excuse.

Fair enough.

But somebody has to pay, someone has to put up the housing, someone has to provide the healthcare infrastructure, somebody has to put up the school places, and rent spaces and so forth.

The very last thing on this country's list of actual problems is an employment crisis. Yet we keep hearing all about how we need more and more people. Backwards land. So backwards it's a cock step to genuine conspiracy.

Can you show us some of this irrational emotion please, as I can't see it?

Yeah, right.

Never mind economics, resource management, sustainability, population metrics, pension statistics, healthcare, housing and so on. That's all "irrational emotion".

Says bloke ignoring all above, while pleading to emotion about the latest world tragedy.

When the dust settles on this latest thing, and 5 years from now you or someone you know is put back on some serious housing issue, some queue in a hospital, some lack of educational access due to championing yet more people into country for the feels, let me know how it feels then.

Let everyone know. Don't forget now, don't be side-tracked by the future drought in Ballwaniastan while you're watching the clock tick in some packed waiting room for 8 hours.