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Russian build up along Ukraine

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,327 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    For personal reasons.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭sparky42


    The Russians are now up to 7 dead generals, and more telling for the state of the Russian army, a Colonel was killed by his own unit after they took heavy losses. They ran him over with a tank…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,926 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    There was ten Russian generals sitting on a wall, ten Russian generals, ten Russian generals, ten Russian generals.

    The Ukraine Army shot one down, shot one down.

    There is nine Russian generals......

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,106 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭sparky42


    As the Ukrainians push Russian forces back from Kyiv, there's increasing reports from Ukrainians and media of significant mass killings of civilians having been carried out by Russian forces over the last month...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,867 ✭✭✭Alkers


    Haven't heard of any mass killings but there's lots of documented killings of one or two civilians alright, some captured on drone footage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭sparky42


    The AP is reporting that a mass grave of some 300 has been found in one of the newly liberated towns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,499 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    How much of a tankie do you have to be that civilian murders must reach a certain quantity before you class them as a mass killing?

    We aren't talking about casualties from air strikes here. These are people shot at close range, some with hands tied behind their back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,867 ✭✭✭Alkers


    What is a tankie?

    I was in no way excusing or condoning such behaviour if that's what you've interpreted from my post.

    Does mass killing not imply multiple at one time, which is a whole level of barbarism above individual incidents of civilians being killed?

    When I posted that, I hadn't heard anything of mass graves etc which has come out now, there's no need to attack me with a post like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,499 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    Tankie, a term coined as early as 1968, referred to the kind of hard-left person who believed Soviet Russia would always be justified in sending armed forces to suppress anti-communist rebellion, whether in Czechoslovakia in that year, or Hungary in 1956, or anywhere else, as necessary. What is surprising is that this position has survived into the post-communist era.

    Best definition from: Surprisingly for the post-communist era, the "tankie" rises from the mists of history - New Statesman



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  • Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭ancientmariner


    Indeed the Ukrainians got well weeded by the Soviets in 1932/33 when they were deliberately starved and lost 3.5 million from their village structures including the Kharkiv region. They always denied in Moscow that it ever happened, even though they implemented capital punishment for stealing food.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭sparky42


    In the latest twist and on foot of the increasing evidence of widespread Russian crimes against civilians (though to be fair there’s footage coming out suggesting Russian pows are being killed by Ukrainian units over the last few days), the US Senate has passed a new Lend Lease Act for Ukraine and for Eastern European NATO members for at least two years. It still has to pass the House but could have huge impact on those nations buying new military hardware.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Mixed reports tonight that the Cruiser Moskva having been hit by a Ukrainian ASM overnight (or spontaneously combusted according to the Russians) has sunk while under tow to Port.


    Russian state media now reporting that Moskva has sunk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,499 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    If Tass said it happened. It probably happened, though not necessarily in the way they reported it, but in other ways which do not meet with Kremlin approval.

    Either way, there was a good few quid in scrap value they lost.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Yep, like everything else so far the Russian military has seriously exposed itself, and the Russians don’t have the ability to replace their losses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,926 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It was a serious piece of equipment. It has a range of 18k kilometres and a top speed of 60kph.

    Technically it should not have been sunk. It had three tiers of defence.


    ''

    The cruiser is equipped with a triple-tiered air defence system that if operating properly should give it three opportunities to defend itself from a Neptune missile attack.


    In addition to medium- and short-range defences, it can engage six short-range close-in weapon systems (CIWS) as a last resort.


    "The Moskva should have 360-degree anti-air defence coverage. The CIWS system can fire 5,000 rounds in a minute, essentially creating a wall of flak around the cruiser, its last line of defence," Mr Bentham said. ''

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭sparky42


    That presumes all of those systems were fully functioning, switched on and ready to engage with a crew prepared for such an attack. Everything we’ve seen from the Russian military so far would bring at least some if not all of those into question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭XsApollo


    That’s what the Russians said.

    Like a lot of their talk it has shown up be a load of Rubbish.

    id be surprised at this stage if the even have a functioning ICBM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    Yeah..........but its Russian so we all know its crap, they were caught slippin' or sippin'😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Some photos are leaking of the Moskva, looks like significant internal fires post impact but the ASM missiles seem intact in the photos:

    https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1515818122036621321



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,499 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    Apparently there are no reloads carried aboard. Once fired, it must return to base to be re-armed. So the launchers may be empty, with all missiles aboard having been used already.

    Either way, she's on the bottom now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭sparky42


    No the missiles that the navy have been launching aren’t the type carried by the Moskva, she would still have been fully loaded (or at least should have been, god knows the Russians could have sold them off), might explain the eagerness to abandon ship if there was a chance of a cook off. Think the growing consensus is that it was large scale internal fire that killed her, but as you say she’s gone now.

    The Russian fleet has backed off from Odessa and the chances of an amphibious assault all but gone after this. Meanwhile reports of a chance that Ukrainian forces might repeat the Kyiv style counterattack and threaten the Izyum attack, though Ukraine is reporting they believe the new attack in the Donbas region is starting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Hopefully the russian black sea fleet follows it to the bottom



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Depends on a lot of factors, they’ve backed off from their earlier close positions, in the meantime the Neptune missile was only just entering service for Ukraine, how many do they have operational (I’d guess not many given the earlier targets), and while the U.K. for one has promised ASMs, I don’t think any have arrived as the old Harpoons have to be converted for land based launches.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭sparky42


    The Donbass offensive has officially begun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,327 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Credible reports emerging that the Russian frigate Admiral Makarov has taken cruise missile hits and is afire in coastal waters of the Black Sea.

    If true, its almost more devastating to them than the Moskva, because the Makarov is basically brand new with the best of offensive and defensive kit in the fleet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,979 ✭✭✭sparky42


    If true as you say it’s a heavy blow, it’s impressive that the Russian Navy is losing to a nation that effectively doesn’t have a navy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,499 ✭✭✭Dohvolle


    As Israel found out a number of years ago, you can have the best anti-missile countermeasures in the world, but they are pointless unless they are powered up & ready, and have a clear view of the potential threat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,327 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Indeed. Funny then, that after Moskva, fleet assets operating in range of the Neptune missile system aren't in permanent defensive posture.

    The Russian military really is shyte.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    I presume the yanks are giving advice how to beat their defense systems, on fire near snake Island apparently, the rest of the fleet on the way to help makes it sound like a serious fire.



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