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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    TBF all the COVID PPE was a big cost for them. Own busy barber was going through one at least one box, 500 sheets, a week. Local gym was spending €500 a week on sanitiser and the like.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    I've noticed in last few days,

    Previously cheap food options have risen sharply.

    Example, Wetherspoons. It's gone way higher for a meal.. 12 /13 euro.

    Tesco - frozen food, spiked higher by double digit %

    These are rises that affect lower income people greater.



  • Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭Get Real


    Lidl cookies gone up 10%. 2euro to 2.20.

    4 pack of tuna also increased.

    Due to the no inflation/deflation we've had for the best part of over a decade, prices have increased the past year yes, but not as significantly in ten years or more.

    2 litre of milk in 2010 was 1.65. Brought in the 1.49 price point around 2012 or so. 12 years later, it's 1.69.

    McDonald's hamburger in 2007 was 1 euro. 15 years later its 1 euro. Granted a meal price has increased.

    Big mac meal after the July 2011 Vat reduction-5.95. Big mac meal 11 years later 7.20. An average increase of 10cent per year. In 2010 before the vat reduction it was 6.35.

    If we had regular annual inflation the past 15 years at say 3 percent annually compounded, two litres of milk would be 2.50 for own brand.

    But we didn't have that. Ifs and buts and all that. Now we're seeing strong inflation, stronger than traditionally desired.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,374 ✭✭✭Indestructable


    Pretty obvious article here from RTE this morning about savings being eroded by inflation. You'd be mad now just to have savings sitting somewhere not doing some work for you.

    However, the cynic in me sees this as a push to get spending all those pandemic savings that supposedly built up to help an economy that's heading into turbulent waters.

    A gastropub I used to like to go to every so often has released a new summer menu, it's the very same as their old menu but with prices increased quite a bit. A 10oz sirloin is now 30 euro in a pretty rural pub. That is just not good value for money any longer so end result is I won't be going there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's the rapid change of it that has people in shock. Many can adjust but we do tend to maintain the same level of spending because of this low inflation rate trend. There is fat that can be trimmed with a bit of thought and a spreadsheet!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,319 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    no conspiracy here, this is what happens when you create highly complex global supply chains under just in time philosophies, and when major disruptions occur, kaboom!



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Angel Hallowed Springtime


    if this carries on we will end up with stagflation



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    IMF suggested that we should see it fall back to under 3% next year but will remain high this year. This is not a massive problem for richer counties but will be for the less well off in them and of course for other much poorer countries. IMO severe food inflation could be the biggest issues of these next 6-9 months.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭Caquas



    A frustrating article to read. I don't believe a passive stock market fund is a good option in current circumstances. Equities are generally over-priced and have become highly volatile as the Fed reduces QE. The Dow has fallen for six straight weeks. Active investing? OK, good luck, if you think you're smarter than Wall St.

    Leaving money in a zero-interest deposit account is obviously a losing propositon. The article mentions that a lump sum will lose half its value in a decade if inflation is 7% p.a. I think inflation will exceed 7% for foreseeable future. At 12% annual inflation (no longer inconceivable), a lump sum will lose half its value in just six years.

    The article highlights the €142 Billion sitting in Irish deposit accounts. That's an average of almost €75K. per household but you can be sure the distribution is highly skewed - the average for the top 20% of households could be over €200K. .

    The article talks about people spending this money rather than letting inflation eat away at its value. Stupidly, the article doesn't mention that a flood of this money into the market would boost inflation i.e. increase demand when supply cannot keep pace. There are ample signs this is already happening. Try finding a builder for a home improvement job.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    I was shocked to see burger meal for EUR 15.

    This seems to be the norm, even in rural towns.

    Now I'm seeing EUR 18 prices, and you don't even get a plate.... It's served on a plank of wood.

    At what point do enough consumers put their hands up, saying, I'm out.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,407 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    That’s what is and will be happening. Push prices too far and people react by not buying or cheaper alternative. Problem is the huge cost of energy is feeding into this massively



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,705 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    At a personal level as I do the weekly shopping I'd notice the prices rise and rise again.

    At a societal level, as someone who has an expertise in history, inflation is a wrecker of people's morale: both from the lose of their purchasing power and the implicit trust in the state. The role of the state has grown to unprecedented levels in Western Europe with perceived blame being directed towards the sole institution responsible, the government. The obvious precedent is the Weinmar Republic but during the 70s many governments were tried and discarded in a effort to cure inflation. So unless there are significant initatives, which seem unlikely given the straighten post-Covid lockdown circumstances, instead of a Winter it will be a Summer of Discontent.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I’ve done it. I’m out at these prices. Restaurants and cafes will go under for sure



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,319 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ....the imf, an institution thats rarely wrong!

    state power and control has in fact been significantly reduced in recent times, and has been continually handed to major sectors, in particular the fire sectors(finance, insurance and real estate), but most particularly towards finance, and in turn has financialised our economies, most noticeably in our property markets, hence that train wreck! most debt is in fact credit based, which primarily comes from the finance sector itself, this has become our major problem, as the main institutions that we created to manage the money supply, i.e. central banks, have very little power and control, particularly in relation to which is now a rare phenomenon, i.e. inflation.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    McDonalds prices are too high now.

    EUR 9 for a meal, that makes me feel sick afterwards.

    And they have cleared out half the staff, replaced with self-service machines. They must be coining it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,319 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    tis rare that large corporations wouldnt be coining it!



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,890 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    When will we see Michéal doing this?




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Think I may cut more notch holes in my belt cause shes down to last one.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    At the end of the day we wanted people to live longer while COVID was trending at the expense of the economy.

    Now people are surprised that the economy is a mess.

    I'm afraid we'll have to suck it up and pay the prices.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,319 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    so in order to protect the economy, and its needs, maybe we should have sacrificed some humans?

    no we dont, central banks can never run out of money, crack on with it folks, plough money across the planet, we ve serious sh1t to be sorting, and we need money to do it!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭Caquas




  • Registered Users Posts: 29,319 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...and again, this bollcoks! zimbabwean inflation was due to a combination of factors, the fact that they were unable to provide themselves with their food needs, and required foreign denominated reserves, primarily dollars, in order to trade for this critical need. the majority of irish debt is in euros, so different different! we clearly need to ramp up the building of property, our health system is virtually collapsing, and rapidly increasing the changeover of our power network to alternatives, is all probably a good idea, and funnily enough, a sh1t load of money is required for all of that, so if you dont want your taxes to significantly increase to do so, the only other option is rapid expansion of the public money supply, i.e. borrowing!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭combat14


    down in supervalue today.. the cooked chicken (allegedly large certainly didnt look it) selling for 9.50

    couldnt believe it .. last time a few months a go same chicken selling for 6-7 euro tops

    needless to say the chicken got left behind where it was!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Every episode of inflation has its particular characteristics but always and everywhere it is caused when money creation is faster than the growth in output. Zimbabwe is an extreme example but you are taking an extreme position I.e. no limit to money printing.

    You may not remember the misery of stagflation in the 1970s. It took Reagan/Thatcher to sort that out.

    Ireland made such a hash of monetary policy whenever we had some control over it that we should be glad that we have the Euro but the ECB has not performed well in its 20+ years of operation. It bears a lot of responsibility for the Euro Area crisis and it has continued with QE even when it became clear that the European economy was doing OK during the pandemic.

    Will the ECB bring inflation down to 2% in the near future i.e. will it do its job?

    I seriously doubt it. Monetary and fiscal policy is the Euro area would have to reverse gears rapidly and I see no political will in Frankfurt, Berlin, Paris or Rome (yeah, I’m looking at you, Mario!)

    So, inflation will rob Irish workers of purchasing power, except those with political or economic leverage (nurses, teachers, Gardai, construction, ICT, finance). If inflation continues on its current trend, wages will need to increase by around 30% over five years just to keep the same purchasing power. If we get 1970s inflation, 30% every two years would be needed.

    So you still want the ECB to print those Euros?



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Angel Hallowed Springtime


    A positive to keep a weak euro, is that it would be good for exports, and also multi nationals here would pay less for production costs. But a negative would be if we wanted to buy gas/oil in dollars then we would be caught out, as the dollar has been rising against the euro for the last year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    Inflation is due to supply chain crisis, cost of materials and transporting goods has gone up, Ireland is a tiny country, its a global problem, also interest rates going up will effect all company's, nothing to do with lock down in Ireland, well we had it good last decade, low inflation, low interest rates,

    rising energy costs effect all company's that produce food, bakerys, basic items etc most items, food, clothes things we buy every week are imported. I think most grocery items will go up by 20 per cent at least.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭Caquas


    As I said, inflation arises when the supply of money grows faster than economic output. The supply chain crisis restricted economic output but the central banks are to blame for inflation because they increased money supply when economic output was constrained. They were right to respond to the pandemic by easing monetary policy initially but they failed to adjust when it became clear that demand was outstripping supply I.e. easy money was chasing a reduced supply of goods. Hey, Presto - Inflation!

    And the energy crisis (i.e. Ukraine) means it ain’t transitory.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,298 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Who would have thought printing all that money during Covid would lead to inflation?

    Who would have thought adding €50bn to our debt and becoming one of the most indebted countries on the planet would be an issue when inflation kicked in?

    I mean the whole thing is very surprising and couldn't possibly have been foreseen by anyone with an ounce of intelligence.

    Oh well, just one of those things I guess.

    At least we managed to get a decent 2 years of Covid-theater under our belts.

    Clap for our heroes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Supervalu is shocking expensive. I live in the UK and I get a massive shock anytime I have to go into SV when I'm home.

    Feel sorry for people who don't have an ALDI or LIDL within reach.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    I cracked quikpark years ago. DOnt book until the day before you travel. Then its €5 a day still. Thats during the summer at least.



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