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Why are registrations tied to the vehicle with year and county so prominent?

  • 08-05-2022 10:08pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭


    From what I can see, we seem to be outliers in Europe (and the rest of the world) with this.

    In the US, the person is assigned a registration that they take veil vehicle to vehicle, if you own more than one, your other registration has a suffix on it.

    In Germany, your registration is composed of the first two letters being your municipality and the rest being random numbers and letters. There is no way to know the age of the vehicle at a glance or the town / county it was originally registered in.

    In Finland, you assigned random letters and numbers.

    In Ireland, the car is assigned a registration based on its year of manufacturing and where it was originally registered. When the car changes ownership, it’ll keep the D or LH reg. I’ve heard people scoff at cars that don’t have a D reg, this distorts the second hand market.

    Likewise with the year. Some people buy new cars to get the 222 plates. Again, distorting the used car market.


    Arguments to have the year and county don’t hold water. I’ve heard the following reasons:

    It’s nice to know the year at a glance…. Why? Why do you want to know this? If you’re looking at cars on a forecourt, the dealer could (should) display this on the information card on the window. Otherwise, the age of a car is of no concern.

    Its nice to know where the car is from…. Why? It’s irrelevant as the car can change owners making the county in the plate superfluous.

    Insurance companies won’t insure older cars so we need to know …. Of course, but you can ask this before you buy. It’ll be displayed on the windscreen on the forecourt.

    Easier to remember reges with year / county ……. And? How does Germany/ Finland / US and other countries cope?

    ———————————

    If the year isn’t displayed I think it might slow down the rat race of Mr. and Mrs. Jones rushing to buy their brand spanking new car and the second hand and used market will do better. You’ll also keep your own personal reg for life.

    Why can’t we have 6 random letters in groups of 3 as our reg? Omit M and N to avoid confusion.

    24x23x22 x 21x20x19 = 96,909,120 combinations are possible. More if repeated characters are allowed.

    A reg could look like RTU—ZXI


    Why is the year and county displayed? It’s unnecessary.



Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    It makes sense when you buy a used car or look at one you know its age straight away. Makes it easier to remember the reg too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Dollar Thief


    Did you read beyond the thread title? It’s in the OP.

    This information can be displayed on the windscreen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    It suits the motor dealers and they even managed to lobby for a 6 month split.


    BTW the UK is blatant too on the year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Dollar Thief


    You’re right. You need to know how to decipher it but it’s in the letter /number combinations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Dollar Thief


    I’d be asking to see the logbook before buying privately.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Dealers won't display the age if it didn't suit, as it stands they don't need to. As for other countries I'm sure that our regs are far easier to remember than theirs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,041 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    Dollar thief - this has been done to death here.

    Yawn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Dollar Thief




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,033 ✭✭✭DoctorEdgeWild


    I actually think the Irish system is the one thing that's done right when it comes to motoring in Ireland! Best system I've encountered in the countries I've had cars in.

    Easier to remember at a glance in the case of an emergency accident/incident.

    Easier to age a car at a glance when looking through a long list on a 'for sale' site. (remember, not everyone buys from a forecourt as per your OP, some of us don't like throwing money down the drain)



    The real question to be asked is - What do you benefit from changing the system already in place? What is better about your proposed system to warrant a change? If your only answer is to do with Mr. & Ms. Jones then maybe the problem isn't big enough to warrant a change to a system that works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    It used to be

    My 1st car was 3254ZV

    My 2nd car 527YZO

    I'm not that old 😁

    But I think the current system is quite good. So what if some people want to show off, most don't. It's quite good for the consumer too as car dealers would never be considered the most honest bunch of people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,719 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Why raise the same old topic yet again though?

    Tough you don't like the numbering. Others do. Big deal. Envy at seeing the neighbour's new car? What does the number matter to you?

    Post edited by Jim_Hodge on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,704 ✭✭✭User1998


    I think the UK system is much better.

    Two letters for area of registration

    Two numbers for the year

    3 random letters

    Similar to us but they are able to purchase private plates and actually spell out words on their plate and hide what year the car is. So you could have a car with your name on it or have a five year old car look like its brand new

    And when you purchase a plate you can transfer it to each car you buy or sell it for profit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭saabsaab




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,704 ✭✭✭User1998


    So you don’t want to allow other people to have their own sequence of numbers and letters on their own car? Strange

    Just because it doesn’t appeal to you doesn’t mean others should have to stick with it too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I'd say I'd be in the majority on this. Why should there be a choice? I can't see any good administrative reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    You can't put a newer reg on a car in the UK. So you have to put an old reg on a new car, so your new car has an older registration number than it should and IMO the spacing to make it look like a word it is tacky and illegal.

    Personally I think our system is great. It has people concentrating on the least relevant piece of the vehicle so makes 2nd hand vehicles cheaper, especially if you ignore the County part of the plate, and buy a vehicle not some numbers and letters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Hmmm you say we area outliers, but why have anything displayed on the windscreen? UK have nothing displayed on the windscreen why not ask why we have so much.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,380 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Having the year on plates just encourages buying more new cars, and older cars are scorned because of the plate. Not very sustainable at all.

    In other countries its common to see 10-20 year old cars on the road, they are well maintained and most garages will keep them going for years and years, same cars here would be scrapped long before that point. Insurance is the biggest factor here, but the 2nd is the reg and the prominent display of year. If its old it is "less" is the mantra



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,849 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    We have a great system here. We were like the UK but then we choose our own semester and it is better for it. Yes I agree that cars should not be scraped just because of how old they are ot should be to do with if they-are safe to drive on the roads or not. It can be 20 years old and still safe maybe not as safe or as complicated as a modern car but still safer than cars 30 or 40 years old if maintained and looked after right. The real problem in this country in insurance and the Government's insistance on cars older than 10 to 15 years not being on the roads. It's stupid that for most new drivers now they can not get insurance on cars over 10 years old. If the car is in good condition and safe it should be insurable.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,593 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Personalised plates and transfer of cherished numbers is another great revenue stream for Gov in UK. Personalised plates used to be rare and predominantly for the affluent.

    Nowadays many folk have personalised plates identifying their names or car type. Some have cherished numbers such as 1234 or 4444 etc. OIL XXXX is on pretty much every oil lorry here.

    As a nordie I like the Irish system. Not sure how you could add personalised plates and cherished numbers into the mix, but I'd be for it as another revenue stream, but I'd guess the gov in south would rip the ar$e out of it with the pricing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,319 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    You can reserve specific numbers in the ROI system so there is a small element of personalisation already. Would have to be very personal though... not a lot you can do with a series of numbers 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭eusap


    I like the Irish system,

    Year makes it easier to identify a car to a Garda, Blue Audi 171 plate as opposed to Blue Audi with 9d9 or some random 3 digits.

    The county gives you an indication of the type of roads the car has driven DL plate run a mile, KE, CW, LS plate probably means it spent many hours on a motorway etc...

    The county goes back to the days of the local council were responsible to collect the Road tax of cars with there county on it or maybe just registration cant remember correctly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭creedp




  • Posts: 8,385 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    OK the split was to allow for dealers to hype sales and is a joke.


    The one reason that I can see is for reporting crime.

    You look at a reg from another country and need to call in a crime, as they speed off, you are trying to remember a random block of hexdec

    In Ireland you can give much better partials and give say "Red Passat, 141-D-23@@@ I missed the last bit". Remembering 141-D is much easier than random sequence and you've narrowed it down to a car of a specific year, registration authority, and maybe a few digits



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