Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

But your waffle aside you're not presenting any middle ground. You are only presenting anti-vaxxer talking points and buddying up with people who are posting false shite that you won't challenge or call out. You keep going to extreme lengths to pretend you don't see those claims. It's really funny.

No one claimed that the vaccines were a panacea. That's an antivaxxer lie that's been called out many times here.

The vaccines did not underperform. That's another antivaxxer lie.

You are now suggesting that the vaccines are only being used to make profit for drug companies. Great. That's a conspiracy theory my man.

More waffle.

Let's pretend everything you said was true. What has it to do with the vaccines safety?

Here you are expressing the antivaxx view that the vaccines have no effect. Snowcat agrees with this it seems.

Oh well now myself and snowcat can chat away and ignore your waffle. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. But it's clear as day you definitely have an attitude problem and you might why people ignore you, and it's not why you think.

It's because you're just unable to be civil and have a genuine discussion.

In my professional life I have meetings now and again and anybody who's constantly interrupting and calling people's ideas waffle or something similar are not the ideal people to sort something out with.

Waffle away now to your hearts content.....

Just to do a quick fire:

Pfizer were releasing the data, the FDA that actually releases the data didn't have the staff to handle the volume of content, they got their budget increased and got more staff and released the data. Money to the FDA fixed that problem.

Fit and healthy people who took vitamins also got the virus and had severe disease and some died, nobody knew what the effect of COVID would be on them until they had it (vaccines are 250x safer than contracting the virus for the group most at risk to myocarditis, young males, for other groups they are over 1000x safer, the vaccine induced myocarditis is also milder and more easily treated than virus induced myocarditis).

Majority in hospital until November last year were unvaccinated, they were both over a decade younger on average than the vaccinated in hospital and were 12x more likely to be in hospital if unvaccinated. The unvaccinated were clogging up the health service causing all the lockdowns.

The vaccine companies were very clear, 95% effective against original strain for severe disease in the weeks after being vaccinated, the % effective against contracting the virus was less (~60%, this was also shown in figures with unvaxxed disproportionately spreading) and the effect against disease also lessened with time and with variants. However, the effectives against death remained high even with time and with variants.

Nobody knows how healthy their immune system is, it can also change, one week you might be floored by a virus, the next, you may not even notice it, SARS-COV2 was very infectious and very deadly to lots of people who thought vitamins would keep them well (the whole vitamin craze is another, most VitD is passed straight through the body and straight to the toilet).

Human rights articles specifically mention the greater good when dealing with health pandemics, your human rights were not violated. If you have a deadly infectious disease that is not COVID, you will be quarantined, you will not have a choice.

And again, the vaccines were at minimum 250x safer for everybody than the virus in all circumstance, children (it's about 2000x safer for pre-pubescent children, I don't believe there has been any severe vaccine side effects in this group), this is regardless of variant.

If you're shouting "everyone got it anyway" than the vaccinated were at least 250x more likely to have a better time of it than the unvaccinated in all circumstances.

@astrofool please do post the evidence for this, as it will be very very funny to watch him try to weasel away from it.

Science says so, science.

Address those studies please.

He won't comment. They never let themselves get nailed down to points like that.

He'll ignore and deflect. Maybe will vanish for a while and jump back onto the thread when he thinks everyone's forgotten. He might throw a strop first and declare that we're all too stupid and mean to hear the excellent response he totally and really has.

Right, what do you know that the health professionals around the world don't?

Your not going to convince me it's not about money at this stage, do you believe Pfizers own data, I certainly don't.

If authorization is granted, the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine would be the first vaccine available to help protect children under 5 years of age from this disease, potentially including future emerging variants of concern.

“As hospitalizations of children under 5 due to COVID-19 have soared, our mutual goal with the FDA is to prepare for future variant surges and provide parents with an option to help protect their children from this virus,” said Albert Bourla, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Pfizer. “Ultimately, we believe that three doses of the vaccine will be needed for children 6 months through 4 years of age to achieve high levels of protection against current and potential future variants. If two doses are authorized, parents will have the opportunity to begin a COVID-19 vaccination series for their children while awaiting potential authorization of a third dose.”

That's Pfizere's own words, so two doses to profect you from the disease and variants they don't know about while waiting for a booster as the first two aren't good enough, so 3 potential jabs for a 6mt old.

Ok. so your theory is that the vaccines don't work and that pfizer was faking data.

Are you still trying to pretend you're not a conspiracy theorist?

We know the data was wrong, that's openly admitted no conspiracy there.