Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

Larbre34: "I don't talk for everyone....."

Also Larbre34: "I can tell you what the residents of Sandymount want..."

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this thread is just page after page after page of people pointlessly arguing with Larbre34 - you're all wasting your time, he/she is not interested in your arguments or in any sort of compromise. Save yourself a lot of time and effort:

Haven't cycled in Dublin city centre for several years. So was pleasantly surprised to find out how relatively handy it is now with all the cycle and bus lanes. Pleasant even, enjoyable.

One thing I did notice though was that about half of cyclists are not too bothered about stopping at traffic lights, except maybe at major junctions. Otherwise they just sidle past you, quick look and carry on. Can see pros and cons to doing this. Trouble is, it's OK for the savvy but encourages others and if majority of cyclists crash the lights, then there's safety issues for them and pedestrians etc.

Don't know what the answer is but something that cyclists/ city authorities are going to need to sort out as more people cycle. How does it work out in other large cities with lots of cyclists?

In the Netherlands, you get a €95 fine for breaking a red light. And both electronic and in-person enforcement is pretty vigorous.

It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation in Ireland, when does the cohesion of the cycling network result in investment in dedicated enforcement, and so on. Its a valid area to look into, but pending that, I don't see why the Guards couldn't set up some stings at locations identified for low observance of red lights, in the same way that speed traps and mass drink-driving check points are set up for motorists. Publicity of these sort of things really do work wonders for awareness and compliance.

I do find it equally annoying when I'm cycling or driving, to be waiting on a red and see other bikes do everything from sailing through unchecked to creeping onto the junction, or tying their departure to the adjacent pedestrian light. All very dangerous and a terrible example to younger cyclists joining the road.

Yes, I think that we're not great at observing rules and regulations that seem to be a nuisance. Bit like what the yanks called jay walking - in some countries, citizens are fastidious in terms of finding a pedestrian crossing. Here most (inc myself) will cross at will, having taken a good look,

I wouldn't go down that road here - I mean vast majority of motorists stop at traffic lights when red. And wait till the green.

I was going along in the bike lane, passed out a couple of slower bikes and then stopped at next lights. They sailed past, I passed them again and ditto etc. Just annoying to see that sort of indifference to the basic rules around traffic lights. Though I'll hold my hand up and say I got fed up and scooted through a pedestrian crossing as no one on it.

When I lived in Dublin many years ago, there were no bike lanes and it was survival of the fittest. You had your wits fully about you and acted accordingly. But most cyclists still stopped for lights, at most you got ahead a little before the green came.

Times change I guess.

Was it not yourself that told us; "Publicity of these sort of things really do work wonders for awareness and compliance"?

You seem to be contradicting yourself now.

I wouldn't go down that road here - I mean vast majority of motorists stop at traffic lights when red. And wait till the green.

Seriously, the numbers going through amber and red's is ridiculous. Pretty much every junction on my commute I have a green and there's still vehicles coming out - a long way past "amber gambling" anyway. Just from positioning at the advance stop line you can see the lights. I often see red left and right turns ignored as well (the junctions where straight on is still green), including a near miss with a pedestrian a few weeks ago when they were crossing on a green man.

Most cyclists I see breaking lights (which isn't "most cyclists" I see), they are rolling through with the pedestrian crossings/ taking the opportunity to take a right, or rolling around to turn left (which is legal in many countries). It can be an irritation, even to me if I have to pass them, but I don't see people barrelling through dangerously tbh.

Red light argument is ridiculous, bikes and pedestrians don't really heed to these things as much because they see no risk, and are unlikely to harm themselves or others if they are careful. Cars break them all the time, I see it daily, but overall they're more likely to stop at reds because if they don't they might die or kill someone.