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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    As off 2018 The black rock group have an $11 billion equity in up to 56 coal plant manufactures. Enough said!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    They are that big they practically have an interest in every large company in the world... Enough said!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Back to the scaremongering again. Please clarify how many indians or pakistans deaths can be directly be linked to climate change. I guarantee you that on the ground in the above countries they dont give a fiddlers about eamon ryan trying to save the planet



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Greens mentioning human rights while driving around in the ev that child labour in china and chad help produce.... Do you not see the irony



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    You tell posters to inform themselves rather than get outraged. Perhaps it would be best if you took your own advise rather than post some of the misinformed nonsense you post.

    1. As we need fossil fuels to fill the gap of unreliable renewables are you suggesting we use either oil or coal instead of natural gas ?
    2. LNG is not some exotic mix that is extracted from the ground. It is natural gas liquefied for ease of transportation and there is no shortage of natural gas. At present consumption levels from just known reserves there is enough for the next 50 years. Qatar has the 3rd. highest reserves in the world and has over 600 years of natural gas at present production levels. The USA 98 years. You appear to be very concerned over Qatar`s human rights record. No problem with China where all this green kit is coming from using coal and slave labour to produce it ?
    3. No idea where you are getting this billion for an LNG terminal from. A private company here say they can build their own for 650m., and far as I recall those great hero`s of Irish greens, the Germans, estimate their two new terminals costing around the same. Germany are also providing 3.5 billion for floating LNG terminals as well, so they and all other European countries who have built their own, or are currently doing so, must see them as value for money. Our next door neighbours currently have 3 such terminals and are now looking at floating terminals as well.
    4. Build a terminal close to the present pipelines that are easily accessed from the sea and your pipeline problem is solved. Close to Gormanston where the Moffat pipeline comes ashore would most likely be the ideal site.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Mayebe get a dictionary and inform yourself

    Scaremongering:the spreading of frightening or ominous reports or rumours.

    Please inform me of all these climate change deaths in asia? you seee thats the problem with the greens, they just throw out some made up bullshit and expect no one to challenge it. Your comment was an attempt at scaremongering a frequent green tactic.

    Another piece of information and a fact for you... the beloved green agenda is as much concerned about human rights as Qatar are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,408 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    It took about a century for the global temperature to increase by 1c

    It took about 20 years for the global temperature to reach 1.2c

    Its likely that it will take less than a decade to add .3c more warming bringing us to 1.5c by 2030 and another .5c in 20 years to 2c by 2050

    Were looking at a lot more than 1c a century warming here. The warming is happening faster, and Human emissions are still, increasing causing CO2 concentrations to increase faster with each year.

    We're currently on a pathway to at least 3 c warming

    As the planet heats, weird things will start to happen more and more frequently. Global ocean currents will break down and this is already happening, this will in turn cause weather patterns to become disrupted. Rains will fail where they were once reliable (monsoons for example) while other places may experience severe rainfall that they have never experienced before.


    Climate change is a relentless process that will cause increasingly potent consequences

    The less we do to reduce our emissions, the worse the consequences will be. It's as simple as that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Mayebe get a dictionary and inform yourself

    Looks like you need the dictionary friend!

    Thats your opinion just cause you don’t inform yourself doesn’t mean your right.


    Post edited by Banana Republic 1 on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Utter stupidity from the EU and state governments that kowtow to them. You missed the important piece from that article.

    Meanwhile, G7 foreign ministers vowed to break a Russian blockade of grain in Ukrainian ports, and wheat futures rose in Chicago after a US Department of Agriculture report said production in the country will drop by one-third compared with last season.

    "Twenty-five million tons of grain are blocked in Ukrainian ports, especially in Odessa,” German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said at the opening of the G7 foreign ministers’ meeting in Weissenhaus in Northern Germany. 

    This is grain which is urgently needed as food in African countries and the Middle East.

    Food shortages will get MUCH worse into 2023, and we will see major power failures this year across Europe. You cannot run an electrical grid on random energy, the operators are creating a complex, expensive unreliable grid. The ECB can only issue more debt, the cost of debt is rising, they can't fix the broken supply chains that are causing shortages and leading to rationing through prices, the EU and ECB combined will make living conditions worse.

    You can see from the above there is not just one single major problem from that list we must deal with, climate is not among them. Everything we do requires energy, climate legislation and taxes are a problem that forces up the cost of living because they restrict energy consumption and production. Examine that piece of paper that then Taoiseach Enda Kenny signed in Paris back in 2015. Read up on the ratchet mechanism of the intended nationally determined contributions (INDCs). The policies derived from this when combined with the above must negatively impact us over the next few years and will become a lightning rod for severe disaffection across the European political system, not just in Ireland. There are already the yellow vests in France, there have been strong protests from farmers in the Netherlands and Germany. In this country the implementation of Green policies derived from the INDCs combined with the cost of living rises due to supply shortages may well see a backlash from rural voters in particular, since the social and financial impact of these Green policies fall more heavily on people who don't vote Green, the voters will punish their partners in government and vote independents and SF over FF/FG.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    A good vid on the progress of interconnectors around the European grid




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I did and yet again the result was you do not have a clue.

    This LFG you talk about is natural gas liquefied, and contrary to what you posted, and which I have shown you, there is no shortage of natural gas in either Qatar or the U.S. In fact the E.U. is in negotiations with the U.S. for supplies of LNG which they now view as a green energy transitional source.

    Based on your inflated price for an LNG terminal of 1 billion, 3 proposed off-shore wind farms will cost 10X times that and like their on-shore cousins have shown, will only produce when the wind is blowing. How much and when would depend on how strongly. That is the reason we need either or preferably both LNG and hopefully Barryroe. Both of which the Green Party muppets are determined to prevent without a single viable alternative.

    Hell I even sorted your worries about pipelines. As to your heartfelt concern for violations of human rights in Qatar, with you not being pushed about the same in China, again you are either very misinformed or it was just something you threw in disingenuously because it suited your narrative.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Shur you didn’t listen to the podcast so 🥱



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Extreme weather attribution is mostly fodder for tabloid headlines generated by computer modelling and is not evidence of climate change. The underlying motive for weather attribution studies does have a nefarious purpose seen in litigation cases and openly admitted as such.

    Moreover, the science of attribution opens the door to court cases about climate change. In order for a defendant to be held liable for their contribution to the greenhouse gas emissions, or their inaction to defend people’s rights, there has to be proof that they disregarded the evidences available.


    source

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    I see you didn’t listen to the suggested podcast either so 🥱



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Note in your video the presenters scepticism when he says ". . . and in theory lower prices. . . " (4:25).

    Here is a presentation by Derek Birkett, a retired grid system control engineer in the UK who published a book asking the question "When will the lights go out?"


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Don't need to look too far to find evidence of this

    The climate change narrative must be strong, because it comes against a denial movement voiced by loud characters. Here too, the range of stories is evolving. “ [The] climate denier movement has morphed into a climate delay movement,” says Robbins, summarising that the “moment isn’t right and the moment is never right to take action”. Falling back on stories that postpone a response to climate change is a good strategy when outright denial loses credibility.

    The climate sceptic narrative is known to be largely fuelled by multinational corporations. Not only that, but in many cases they have found their way into the mainstream. “It’s pretty indisputable that the fossil fuel industry... have been really successful in getting the argument about climate change down to the individual level or personal responsibility,” notes Prof Pete Lunn, head of the Economic and Social Research Institute’s behavioural research unit.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    The RAF have a saying you only take flak when your over the target.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande




    Yet more hyperbole by people caught up in the imaginary world of the climate apocalypse.

    If you look at the last 100 to 150 years since climate data began to be recorded widely, it has been remarkably stable and benign. Even taking into account the last ~13,000 years since the last major glaciation ended, climate has been stable. Having said that, the little ice age lasted ~500 years and had much more destructive climate that what we have now, we would be in very bad shape presently if the climate conditions of the peak of the little ice age returned. Can you imagine a year without a summer due to temporary volcanic forcing happening today how much a big reduction in agriculture crops with ~7 billion people to feed. As it is there is a man made war between Russia and Ukraine that is already having an impact on availability of food.

    If we look further since the last glacial advances ~100,000 years ago, that climate would be catastrophic to modern civilisation. Expecting that natural variation in climate to be stable and benign is not the default position for how climate works. We advanced over the last 150 years because of very benign climate (and abundant fossil fuels leading to the industrial revolution) and if natural variation changes for any reason, then our troubles are here to stay no matter what the CO2 level is. Thinking that reducing CO2 levels will somehow guarantee natural variation stays stable is a fools errand. The climate is always in transition from one state to another over short seasonal time scales to very long time scales, and the proper answer should be how do we adapt to whatever Mother Nature throws our way. If we continue to believe that we can now tame the weather and control the climate long term, then we are delusional.

    If those actresses really want to explore a dystopian view they should try a world where the energy they are allowed consume is determined by their social credit score.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    Catastrophic anthropogenic climate change is not about the weather, it never was.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    The human experience shows quality of life metrics have in general improved substantially over the last 150 years and most notably the period since communism collapsed in 1989. The situations where there have been significant negative reverses on human well being have primarily been man made wars, none of them are caused by climate change. The world is not perfect and to survive we must continue to overcome many problems, climate in this day and age is not one of them.



    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Speaking of the situation in India, its reviewed quite well here

    BBC News - Extreme weather: What is it and how is it connected to climate change?




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If you cannot express whatever relevant points you believe it made, or are just to lazy to, then why would I waste my time listening to it ?

    Especially to humour someone who refuses to answer anything they are asked.

    If that podcast agrees with you that Qatar and the U.S. cannot supply their own domestic needs for natural gas then, it is as incorrect as you are. Even the most basic research will show you that



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    There is some real big and shady money backing gas/wind that is is attacking nuclear. Really eerie stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    1 Did I say Qatar couldn’t supply themselves with fossil gas no I did not.

    2 Did I say America can’t supply themselves with fossil gas, as in the is in there isn’t enough fossil gas no I didn’t not, they are having major infrastructure issues with pipelines.

    As to the overall rant, you asked me where I got information regarding the 1billion price tag on the proposed LFG terminal in Ireland amongst other things. I told you we’re I even posted a convenient link but if your not up to investigating anything that appears to question you’re dogma then that’s your problem not mine 🤷‍♂️



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,569 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Sri Lanka rows back on chemical fertiliser ban, but yields may not rebound

    November 24, 2021

    COLOMBO, Nov 24 (Reuters) - Sri Lanka rowed back on its goal to become the first country to fully adopt organic farming on Wednesday by removing the ban on the use and importation of chemical fertilisers after months of mass protests by farmers and a surge in food price inflation.

    The government had completely banned chemical fertilisers when it unveiled a new agricultural policy in April.

    And this week, remember this "green policy" happened BEFORE the war started.

    ESG = Environmental, Social, and Governance.


    Putting her foot in the proverbial cow dung, Irish-American Samantha "R2P" Power is these days administrator at USAID.

    Biden official says food shortages will push farmers to green energy: 'Never let a crisis go to waste'

    "Fertilizer shortages are real now because Russia is a big exporter of fertilizer. Even though fertilizer is not sanctioned, less fertilizer is coming out of Russia," she explained. "As a result we're working with countries to think about natural solutions like manure and compost and this may hasten transitions that would have been in the interest of farmers to make eventually anyway. So never let a crisis go to waste."


    I've said before people whose farming experience is growing geraniums on the window sill are making policy decisions on agriculture. Really though organic & sustainable agriculture, for the most part, don’t work well enough to become the mainstay of any viable agricultural system. Farming is both labour and capital intensive, these costs along with fuel and fertiliser will bankrupt you if you are not on top of them.

    As someone who grows some of their own food using organic methods (as opposed to organic farming) these can be an effective way to increase yields when used in conjunction with chemical fertilisers and pesticides. Many farmers already do this. Manure is rarely wasted. Methods such as no dig that improve the structure of soils are possible. Rotations with nitrogen fixing crops or green manure are also done.

    Of course the supply of manure requires an extensive livestock industry, both to provide manure as a by-product and to provide a market for rotation crops. Guess what green policies in Ireland are? Growing biomass for energy feedstock does not fit well in this scenario and may lead to widespread degradation of agricultural soils. The problem growing miscanthus in Ireland, you can't get the moisture content low enough to burn it efficiently and that is why people who tried it got burned financially.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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