Sweden avoiding lockdown

It peaked because of what people did.

Some peoples inability to see a pattern does not mean there is no pattern.

Nonsense. The only pill that to some is too bitter to take is the pill that Sweden`s naturally acquired immunity strategy was a completely reckless, unethical and costly failure. You do not have to be a statistical genius to see that from the excess deaths in Sweden compared to their neighbours. They were never anywhere near the numbers required to achieve immunity. Their own data showed that where test results for their epicenter were no better than those from Spain and France, who used lockdown, for their respective epicenters. Even then Tegnell and his shower of cowboys recklessly carried on and were still attempting to do so while in denial of a second wave until the local authorities put an end to it.

For someone who chides others for believing that 2 + 2 = 5 your own grasp of verifiable data is, to say the least, questionable. You only have to look at any country you wish to see the greatly disproportionate numbers of those unvaccinated who were taking up hospital and ICU beds compared to those vaccinated to see just how vaccines were preventing serious illness and deaths.

Sadly how the world increasingly works is some becoming so entrenched in their position that despite the large amount of evidence to show they were wrong still refuse to accept it. Get over it. It was a reckless unethical policy that caused needless deaths and suffering.

The certainly did not and have the excess deaths to show for it. Or at least not until the responsible adults in the local authorities got back the power to make their own decisions and forced the government to sideline Tegnell and his crew.

Hardly a great revelation. Of course the virus doesn't know the calendar. The virus is a disease that befalls people because they are social beings. So the virus follows the people's calendar.

Regardless, the pattern does exist and it does persist. No matter what we did. What was your point?

Dumb behaviour. wtf?

What do you want people to do, all stay in cubicles in their homes for the rest of their lives? Walk around in space suits? For what's little more than a 'cold' virus?

My claim was that all these dumb measures of not doing this and only doing, wash your hands, masks on and off, 9 euro meal please, open the fkn windows, yadeeda. No measurable effect whatsoever. Of course if you go nuclear and lock people in their homes, thats going to have an effect. But thats not an option.

You were sidetracking. We were specifically talking about vaccinations. And spread.

And while vaccinations may have had an effect on rates of serious illness and death they certainly had no measurable effect on spread and case numbers. Which is what we were talking about.

The countries with the highest vaccination rates had the highest case numbers. Which were all arbitrary also. Since there was no method to testing. But by the method (or non-method) of our choosing the high vaccination countries all had record case numbers. Which were all peaking on January 8 no vaccination, high vaccination, low vaccination, measures, no measures whatever. What exactly causes January 8 is another question. I didnt say it was the weather or the moon or something, but whatever it was it wasn't measures we implemented or not.

And finally, vaccinations did not end this pandemic. The harmless variants did. Which is what we were talking about afaik.

LOL. I`m not the poster attempting to ignore the data on Sweden`s excess deaths or the disproportionate numbers of those unvaccinated that were taking up hospital and ICU beds when compared to those vaccinated.

Footfall was reduced by the Swedes taking on their own mitigation measures themselves and staying home . Businesses that weren't officially closed found it hard enough because they were unable to claim Covid supports like their counterparts in other countries .

My issue isn't with Sweden trying something else and it not really going to plan in a time of unknowns. Or indeed that perhaps it's not as clear cut as all that if you look at it from holistic point view. Economy, mental health, effect on other illness etc.

My issue is selectively reporting the known facts and data to misreprent and change the narrative. In an attempt to cancel it.

Perhaps the case numbers also know how to follow a calendar like "clockwork".

Conveniently "none of it works" aligns nicely with not having to do anything except whatever the heck you want.

Pretty damning evaluations by any metric.

I posted a Eurostat report some time ago on this thread that showed the monthly excess deaths for each E.U. country that very much highlighted the difference between Sweden and it`s neighbours on excess deaths. Especially during peak months of Covid.

There was also a report posted here from the Economist Oct. 2021. (Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries) that did a pretty in-depth report where they broke down Europe into regions and found that as you travelled eastwards in Europe the death toll from Covid became more severe. For Northern Europe they noted "Some Nordic nations have experienced almost no excess deaths at all. The exception is Sweden, which imposed some of the continents least restrictive social-distancing measures during the first wave"

Unfortunately the future variants of this virus will determine what actions or not will be needed.

Either way, nobody is going to be pointing to the Swedish data on naturally acquired immunity as the solution if this virus does an about turn in severity.