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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX **Threadbans in OP**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,921 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I can't understand why all this effort, but it was the driver's fault he sped up to catch a yellow light and lost control. No one seriously hurt though, so the car is safe.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We still have instances of their autopilot literally leading to death. And Tesla have been called out for false advertising in relation to it. On top of that, Tesla are known for using DMCA takedowns to remove clips of autopilot misbehaving.





  • Registered Users Posts: 5,921 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Autopilot still requires human supervision and all the accidents happened because the human driver failed to do just that. The driver had this information in the actual owner manual, and yet we still see people crawling into the back seat while the car is driving itself and this happens on other car brands not just Tesla.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    "Elon Musk never really did anything bro, it's just a coincidence that all these companies he bought had massive levels of success bro, anyone could become the richest man in the world so long as they have rich parents bro"

    The absolute state of some of the posters on here 😂



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It is pretty comical. Why can't people just dislike or hate the man without having to validate it with nonsense like saying he never did anything and he just had rich parents. It's perfectly ok to say "I hate him but accept that he played a huge role in electric vehicles and space." but people seem to be completely and utterly incapable of such nuance.

    So what is Musk? He's an autistic business savant. He is the furthest from normal you can get. He is hated because of some stupid comments over the years, which can be explained by his Asperger's, and because he is associated with the right for some reason. All of his most prominent haters here were also active in the anti-Trump threads. It's entirely political but they don't want to admit that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    I was going to say it myself, but you already got there. Elon honestly seems to be turning into their new Trump, where he gets credit for nothing and yet blamed for everything. One poster was even arguing in earnest that Trump deserved his ban because he was in a position of great power and had lied from that position. Breaking rules was also mentioned, yet there's no rules against lying, and there's certainly no rule that say that lies from people in power should be treated more severely. There's many, many powerful people on Twitter that tell lies daily and nothing happens, so they are literally creating standards that don't exist to justify their position.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users Posts: 19,175 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    @[Deleted User] It is pretty comical. Why can't people just dislike or hate the man without having to validate it with nonsense like saying he never did anything and he just had rich parents.

    Who said anything about "disliking" him or even "hating" him? What people are simply saying about Musk are facts. He's a wealthy individual that used his wealth to buy and sell a few businesses. AND THAT'S ALL.

    Some people want to go into some masturbatory fantasy about him being some kind of renaissance man, but he isn't. He's a guy with money who bought and sold things. He buys businesses he thinks are viable and hires people to do the work and then flips them to make a profit.

    It has nothing to do with "hate". It's just reality.



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Facts? He just used his wealth to buy and sell a few businesses?

    He created zip2 with his brother. His father gave them $28k to help at the start. He was a programmer. They sold it for 300m.

    That one venture alone inarguably makes someone extremely successful. And he went on to do it multiple times.

    This idea that he just bought and sold his way up to 200bn dollars is insane. It is so devoid of reality, only someone emotionally invested in disparaging the man could believe it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,175 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Facts. He was born into wealth and used that wealth to make a couple of wise investments to build on it. He's had the cushion of wealth all his life and has been able to take the hits that would have finished others.

    He's now so wealthy he can afford to spunk it away on silly vanity projects like buying Twitter.

    However, he's no genius. He's no inventor. He's no great mind. He's just a guy who used his wealth wisely.

    They way some people go on about him, you'd think he was the second coming of Christ.



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes, people overdo it. But this reaction to it where you decide that none of it could be true is just as ridiculous.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,175 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users Posts: 33,580 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I dislike Musk just because he seems like an absolute knob rather than anything to do with his politics. He's petulant and arrogant and so far up his own hole he can see his own heart beating.

    But I hate the veneration he's treated with (and which he tries to propagate himself) as if he himself is pulling late nights in a lab programming the guidance system on spaceships or whatever. For the past decade or so he's been a CEO or major shareholder of several large companies. He makes decisions and states what he wants the companies to achieve, but to credit him with the actual technological achievements of the company as if he himself is the genius behind them is nonsense. Let's also not forget the many things he's claimed he would or could do which have ended up amounting to nothing because neither him nor his teams were actually able to achieve them, or they were just claims he was making for publicity.

    Again, the man is just a knob. He's been a successful one, but he's still a knob.



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Practically everything. The truth is somewhere in between "The man invented water." and "All he did was use his wealth to make wise investments." If you believe the latter, then you are dismissing everything else.

    And for reference, the latter is more akin to Warren Buffet. He invests in companies. Elon Musk is an entrepreneur, he grows companies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,175 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    That's nonsense.

    Musk isn't an inventor. He isn't a designer. He isn't a great mind. He takes existing ideas (and sometimes companies) and pumps money into them and uses his wealth and status to commercialise the product.

    He's a guy that's used his money wisely. That's all.

    And there's nothing I'm saying that's even controversial here. I just don't think he's worthy of all the excessive eulogising and overblown admiration that comes from some people's own power fantasies and ridiculous aspirational desires.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭NSAman




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    Is the USD 28,000 all the money he got from the parents as an investment?

    If so, turning it into USD 200,000,000,000 is pretty impressive.

    Anyone who claims otherwise is delusional.

    Plenty of people in Ireland get more that that from their parents to pay towards their house.



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "Musk is an entrepreneur."

    "That's nonsense."

    What a pointless conversation if you can't even accept that he's an entrepreneur. Good luck.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,175 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Because daddy didn't own an emerald mine in South Africa.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,175 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    What's nonsense is you saying "The truth is somewhere in between".

    But go on so, enjoy your Sunday. 😉



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,434 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    The whole being on the spectrum announcement seems very self-serving to me. I'm not saying he doesn't have anything, but it really does seem like a planned move by a narcissist looking to reform their image and excuse being a dick.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,921 ✭✭✭Cordell


    While he was indeed born into wealth he used that wealth to grow and develop various technologies that benefits the whole world. But he was born rich so all the good he does and his legacy must be tarnished because he dared to be born rich and not waste his fortune like they expect all the rich boys to do. He can't win with these people no matter what he does.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    It’s not the fact that he comes from wealth that bothers people. It’s his claims of engineering and business chops he simply doesn’t have. But that’s his whole shtick - winding people up with claims he knows are bull, just to see them react. He doesn’t give a shyte about anyone who actually believes his BS, they’re of no interest to him whatsoever.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Musk is proven to have have lied about many things, exaggerated others, taking credit for things he wasn't even around for. He has swindled billions from taxpayers. He has been involved in securities fraud, he's an attention seeker, he defamed one of the Thailand rescuers for (rightly) ridiculing Elon's stupid idea. He ****-stirs on twitter to manipulate stock prices.

    Anyone who takes anything he says seriously - caring about the environment, wanting to travel to mars etc - is very naive. I seriously doubt he has any interest in buying twitter, it seems to be more ****-stirring or market manipulation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,921 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I'm not praising his engineering chops but it's unfair to say he has none - engineering is a very complex field and having a vision of what has the potential to be successful is part of it. For example in roles like principal engineer the engineering turns more towards leadership and politics and strategy. And as for his business chops, he clearly proved that he has plenty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I’m not saying he has none, I’m saying that he’s making claims of engineering and business chops he simply doesn’t have. All his nonsense about his high standards and all the rest of it, he’s got marketing chops, he’s unrivalled in terms of self-promotion. He hasn’t actually engineered or created anything of any unique value. He’s just really good at talking people’s original ideas, throwing a lot of virtual collateral behind the idea, and using that as a means of avoiding paying any tax.

    Take for example the purchase of Twitter. He didn’t come up with the concept, and he’s using his shares from Tesla as collateral, shares which he hasn’t paid any tax on, because they’re not considered income, and the value they have is determined by confidence in Tesla, not whether or not EVs, which also weren’t his idea, are any good. Satellite broadband? Space tourism? Been around for donkeys, he didn’t come up with either concept, so even trying to suggest he’s some sort of visionary in terms of engineering or business, is nonsense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,921 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Satellite broadband? Space tourism? Been around for donkeys

    No, it wasn't. Satellite broadband before Starlink is using geostationary satellites which lead to low speed and high latency simply because of the speed of light limitations, the sats are just too far. The Starlink satellites and especially the phased array antenna are technologies never seen before in consumer space. And he's not doing space tourism like the other 2 shifting old farts into space, what he is now is effectively the US space program with 18 launches so far this year whereas NASA has only 5 scheduled.



  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Lol doesn't even have business chops now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Lol, first line in my post, lol 🙄

    I’m not saying he has none, I’m saying that he’s making claims of engineering and business chops he simply doesn’t have.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    Thread has descended into begrudgery?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,175 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Nobody is "tarnishing" anything. What's wrong with you people? 🤣

    Saying that a wealthy guy wisely invested his money in various companies is not a slight on him in any way.



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