RTÉ journalist found guilty of sexually assaulting woman as she slept

The moral of the story is don't touch people up when they are asleep.

What’s done for him is him trying to initiate with the girl asleep… never a clever move in any situation but especially with someone you just met on a drunken night out..ffs.. that’s creepy x 1000.

i guess it must have been txt messages that led to his arrest and conviction…

certainly some oddness on behalf of the plaintiff…. In your eyes a guy tries to ‘sexually assault’ you, but you still stay in the same bed ? for a number of hours ? Then waiting almost one year to report it ?!

Read to me like a bit of a misunderstanding that came to nothing. That's assuming it was, as reported. They're in bed by/ with consent. He feels a bit horny, she tells him to stop, he stops, they have a chat about it afterwards.

What then happens - he loses his job and ends up in court. Bit drastic.

How did this ever end up in the courts?

She didn't consent - so he stopped.

For most sane people, that is reasonable and respectable behaviour.

Why does it make any difference whether she was asleep or awake when he initiated more foreplay. Clearly she woke up, told him to stop and he stopped. Should be end of story.

Grand, I'll leave you to your perfect wee world. Good luck with it.

Where are you getting that from?

They fooled around a bit, he tried to initiate penetrative sex, she said no, but maybe in the morning. How does that equal consent for foreplay throughout the night?

What they did together before she went to sleep is irrelevant, as is what she said might happen the next morning.

Not excusing anything. But this line stuck out a little

Surely if there was consensual foreplay, it was no longer a "touch from a stranger"?

It's waffle people like this insert into court cases to get more $$$

So... climbing on her and groping her breasts was ok...?

And some people say we don't need consent as part of sex and relationships education...

If this sort of thing was wrong 20 years I would have been a virgin until after I got married!

@Rikand newsflash it was always wrong.

This is mad. OTT in the extreme. Its not she was underage with grooming having took place. The guy made an error of judgement. She said no and he backed off. He's lost his life now. Surely to god an expert could testify that he isnt a danger.

I suppose if he was famous with a higher profile he wouldnt have had a problem like another ex RTE high profile employee who got away with a lot worse.

Which EU court

Im sure everyone has been on the end of something like this at some point in a relationship even and fobbed the other off and went back to sleep

I mean who is that immature to be going back to someone's house for a bit of kip

Would you not just go home

you could roll over in the middle of the night, adjust yourself, and next morning wake up to the cops at your door...

You are all rage in your 3 posts so far bud

Ok in this case it says he got up on top of her and was feeling her boobs and then she woke up. You can say that is wrong I suppose. But what about snuggling in sleep, you do the big spoon small spoon with a bird and fondle and hold her boobs and sleep. Is this then a sexual assault?? If it’s a 1 night stand or with the girlfriend/wife and you do this spoon in sleep, are you in trouble??

Not sure what you're saying here - people have the right to change their mind and frequently do, and people have too much and fall asleep before the sex - are you saying that never known this to happen, or are you saying that it's ok to carry on at that point?