RTÉ journalist found guilty of sexually assaulting woman as she slept

Faugheen · 17-05-2022 10:58am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074336#Comment_119074336

She was asleep. That’s your expiration time. It’s common knowledge that someone can’t legally consent when they are sleeping. If they’re sleeping, don’t climb on top of them and grope their breasts.

Its really not that difficult to comprehend, folks.

maestroamado · 17-05-2022 10:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074320#Comment_119074320

more rubbish... no conviction... no crime... sentiments have a little cry...

Boggles · 17-05-2022 11:00am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074340#Comment_119074340

On what legal basis is this conviction unsafe?

Sure they were all fingers and thumbs a few hours earlier is moot.

IMO it's definitely at the low end of the scale and I would be surprised if a custodial sentence was given, but if your claim is there was an error in law and the conviction is unsafe you'll have to offer evidence of this in the parameters of the law.

thefallingman · 17-05-2022 11:00am

Would this case go to court if it was two gay men involved ?

Donald Trump · 17-05-2022 11:00am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074336#Comment_119074336

Well Pussyhands, there is a spectrum. You couldn't suggest that an agreement to accompany a man back to his place grants him immunity from prosecution for anything he does against the wishes of the girl.

Consent can be withdrawn at any time. Even if you are in the middle of the act. If it is withdrawn, then you have to stop. You're can't do a Magnus Magnusson on it

In this case it was never given. Regardless, the verdict seems harsh and out of proportion

realdanbreen · 17-05-2022 11:01am

Just curious as to what was discussed when she met up with him at a later date for over an hour. Seems strange when you are traumatised, suicidal, unable to be near strangers etc. What was she hoping she would get from such a meeting?

Pussyhands · 17-05-2022 11:01am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074350#Comment_119074350

A lot of wives around the country should be quaking in their boots right now so considering it's common for a woman to wake up in the middle of the night and then wrap their arms around their husband. He didn't give consent so a lot of women in this country are sexual deviants according to you.

MrMusician18 · 17-05-2022 11:01am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074350#Comment_119074350

Can you kiss your wife goodbye while she's sleeping?

Donald Trump · 17-05-2022 11:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074354#Comment_119074354

Don't worry. I do promise to pull you up on any thread you express a negative opinion against anyone's actions where they have not been criminally convicted for those actions.

Fandymo · 17-05-2022 11:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074335#Comment_119074335

“Have an oul' stab at reading the posts dude before jumping in headfirst and looking silly.” - I was agreeing with you.

cuttingtimber22 · 17-05-2022 11:03am

is this a black and white issue? No

Did he cross the line? Yes

Was it inappropriate? Yes

Was he the first man or woman who did such a thing? No

Was this an offence that warrants losing a job? being on a sex offenders register for life? Potentially a custodial sentence? In my view no.

But it has clearly had a monumental (perhaps disproportionate?) impact on the victim

Donald Trump · 17-05-2022 11:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074376#Comment_119074376

Apologies. I will correct the post

realdanbreen · 17-05-2022 11:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074336#Comment_119074336

I hate when that happens. You're just about to move when you glance at the form and see it's just expired.

walshb · 17-05-2022 11:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074371#Comment_119074371

It's a very odd one to get your head around...

Two things: She did this purely out of wanting him to suffer and she was not at all traumatized or suicidal or she was genuinely hurt and traumatized and believed what he did was very wrong, and illegal, and wanted him to face court.

Pussyhands · 17-05-2022 11:07am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074367#Comment_119074367

I wonder what consent he gave to her to fiddle with him earlier in the evening?

Out of all the women I've had in my bed, none of them have ever asked me if I wanted their hand to touch my knob, they've just gone ahead and done it.

There's implied consent as the actions indicate so. Just like when 2 people get into bed after a night out and start kissing, it's implied that the other is fine with touching each other sexually. Yeah if they say they don't want to be touch, then they stop.

Judging by the comments here, a man and woman on a date and then the man goes in for a kiss at the end of the night, makes him a sex offender now.

thefallingman · 17-05-2022 11:08am

rte are beginning to resemble the bbc with deviants and paedos and drug addicts now, we'll have Eoghan Mc D back on soon i'd say doing a show with young girls the way it's going

Faugheen · 17-05-2022 11:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074372#Comment_119074372

Obviously couples would have an understanding about what they are happy/not happy with. You would trust that would be established as trust builds in the relationship over time.

However, men have gone to prison for initiating full intercourse while their partner was sleeping. It’s up to you and your partner to establish those boundaries. You’re not free just to do whatever you like, whenever you like.

El_Duderino 09 · 17-05-2022 11:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074290#Comment_119074290

Yeah the human mind is weird.

Latent tauma often takes time to manifest. That's pretty well established though. If you're surprised by something that basic, then maybe you're not the best person to make judgements based on your knowledge of human psychology.

Faugheen · 17-05-2022 11:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074374#Comment_119074374

That’s a conversation you need to have with your wife.

HeidiHeidi · 17-05-2022 11:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074404#Comment_119074404

Earlier in the evening they were both awake.

When he decided to get started again, she was asleep.

What part of that difference don't you get??

Donald Trump · 17-05-2022 11:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074404#Comment_119074404

There's a spectrum Pussyhands.

If the woman woke up in the middle of the night and the fella had his lad inside her, you'd hardly say that that was alright because she had shifted him earlier in the night now would you?

That didn't happen here, and I've already said that I think that it seems very harsh on him. Am merely pointing out there is a spectrum

El_Duderino 09 · 17-05-2022 11:14am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074336#Comment_119074336

That was probably the point when she became unconscious. Pretty clear cut, wouldn't you agree?

TomTomTim · 17-05-2022 11:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074232#Comment_119074232

Based on this case, what would you teach your son about consent? And has the fact that the law found this guy guilty, impacted your opinion that being unconscious affects consent?

It's odd how some can only think so narrowly, but I suppose it's normal when you're a male feminist. Most men are more likely to tell their sons to never go near a woman, than the nature of consent, as the consent game in the modern world seems to be a minefield, a minefield you're better of staying well away from in the name of total safety. If this stuff continues as is we'll have serious issues in the future among the genders, as both sides will be too afraid to go near each-other for differing reasons. People like yourself don't think of that though, you only think of your narrow world view and how righteous you are, with no care at all for where it leads humanity.

Pussyhands · 17-05-2022 11:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074418#Comment_119074418

So you're saying a man and woman go back together after a night out. They have sex and fall asleep.

The next morning the guy cuddles up to the woman and puts his arm around her. According to your definition of consent, she didn't give any consent after her consent was withdrawn, therefore this man is now a sex offender.

Pussyhands · 17-05-2022 11:17am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074444#Comment_119074444

Unconscious? 🙄

I better ring the guards after the number of women who initiated sex with me after I fell asleep. Who knew so many women were sex offenders!?

TomTomTim · 17-05-2022 11:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074310#Comment_119074310

I don't like sexual shaming, but at the same time you'd really have to wonder about the men who push stuff like this. Have they ever even been near a woman sexually? As their views on the process of sexual relations seem to be so far away from reality.

HeidiHeidi · 17-05-2022 11:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074450#Comment_119074450

There's a bit (a lot) of a difference between cuddling up, and straddling a sleeping woman and fondling her breasts, would you agree?

Fandymo · 17-05-2022 11:20am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074421#Comment_119074421

I’d say it was more a latent slagging from her friends, consequent embarrassment and then vindictiveness that led to this.

Faugheen · 17-05-2022 11:20am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074456#Comment_119074456

Call the guards if you want. Or don’t. You do you if you were happy with all of that.

However, don’t assume everyone else is. You’re threading a very fine line if you make that assumption.

I don’t believe this ever happened to you anyway because of your clear hatrid for women.

El_Duderino 09 · 17-05-2022 11:20am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119074372#Comment_119074372

Is treating this sexual assault by trivialising it, really a good idea? I'll tell you none person who takes consent seriously now, and that's the bloke in this case. He was probably guided by people who share similar attitudes to you, and they didn't do him any favours.

I don't presume this guy is a bad person or intended to harm yer wan (I don't know his intentions) but reading this thread shows there are loads of people who don't understand consent and are presumably teaching their sons that consent isn't important and being unconscious doesn't affect consent.

It's a pretty dangerous and misguided thing to teach young men. Just ask the guy in this case.

RTÉ journalist found guilty of sexually assaulting woman as she slept

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