"Green" policies are destroying this country

Ah, the old 'read the thread' response to a challenge. The last refuge of the person who hasn't a leg to stand on

Lol. Indeed. And that's why I'm using a certain amount of irony quoting that phrase - when it was regularly trotted out in this very thread by one green advocate who indeed "didn't have a leg to stand on". But if you had read the thread in any detail you would know that and who the "scoundrels" likely are. That said slinging of trite insults and name calling is fairly on course with many of your own comments regardless

The poster replied to is being a little more than disingenuous when they claim their statements stand up. When they same poster knows not only that they previously engaged in that discussion but failed to backup those comments .

As for this

"The EU commission plan is to decrease Gas use in Europe. The LNG plants are purely to allow them to become independent of the Russian gas pipelines. Ireland are not importing gas from Russia, therefore LNG plants are not required for Ireland."

Again we are talking about the short to medium term and the EU is actively expanding its gas reserves and increasing gas storage facilities. See.

Ensuring that all Member States have access to liquid gas markets and diversified sources of supply is therefore a key objective of the EU's Energy Union.

The EU is actively encouraging all its EU countries to increase and divesify their natural gas / LNG storage facilities and sources and that includes Ireland

Currently Ireland provides some of its own natural gas with the rest supplied by the UK, which as detailed by the Energy Regulator is no longer a secure or reliable supply due to Brexit and the UK gas reserves in running out.

Hence Ireland as part of Europe needs to start playing ball and not hooky with the greens behind the bicycle shed.

Funny how how some green supporters were such a fan of that response by a poster, that has since disappeared for whatever reason, and now if that practice is even referred to it`s "the last refuge of the person who hasn`t a leg to stand on".

Re planning. Perhaps if all those green advocates weren't jumping up and down and screaming trying to prevent essential energy infrastructure amongst other things - then two years planning process to finalisation or less would be readibly achievable for essential energy related developments

A primary difference between wind power and natural gas is that gas is a dependable source of energy and as identified by the EU as an essential source of energy when the wind doesn't blow, as has already happened on many occasions and most notably the near windless conditions right across Europe last winter

As for the gas pipeline from Moffat in the UK and what changed in 2020?

Maybe you didn't hear about Brexit when the UK withdrew from the European Union on 31 January 2020. No?

it has already been shown in the thread that there aren't really any possibilities of barryroe.

No it hasn`t. What has been shown is that Ryan is determined not to see what the possibilities are,as well as the Irish Green party with their bill banning exploration, (gold and silver and heaven knows what else excluded other than oil and gas), determined not to find out if there is any other viable gas or oil fields.

Seems the E.U. does not have your idea of reality when it comes to LNG. Quite happy with it as a transitional source and encouraging countries to avail of it. Do you think that perhaps Ryan missed the memo by falling asleep again when supposed to be working ?

If the E.U. viewed our energy supply as unsecure prior to this statement then I very much doubt they will now view it as more secure with the U.K. now like ourselves in the pick what you like game on commitments.

Lol. You claiming something is "verifiable" does not make it so. Especially where much of what you posted was either vague innuendo and the bits that weren't- you repeatedly failed to back up when asked to so.

The hillarious thing was that you and broken evidently didn't even know of the existence of the Barryroe proposal less than a couple of months ago and now you're experts on the company..

Seems strange that such a resource has been left idle for so long

That you have to ask why something was not done in the past, but is now ready to go ahead shows that you are unfamiliar with the concept of change

Demand for natural gas is continuing apace across Europe and with rising gas prices and the need for secure and reliable sources - with the result our untapped gas reserves are now more viable than ever.  Maybe you think the company are going to extract the natural gas and keep it under their beds or maybe its all some type of big conspiracy and its the Russians again?

Lol, the document you linked to is a committee opinion that was submitted for debate in 2016. Never got anywhere, was never binding

You talking absolute nonsense.

A LNG terminal is not a short term solution, its not even a medium term solution. The original Shannon LNG permits were granted in 2008 (when the greens were in government btw). The US company who were trying to build it got nowhere in 7 years and ultimately sold the project to another company in 2015, It was sold again in 2017 and 3 more years went by without any progress (all of this time was without a green to be seen near government). Then in 2020, the ECJ (an EU institution) ruled against the project and said that they'd need to re-start the application from scratch with a full environmental impact

Another ECJ 2020 ruling was that the LNG terminal was in breach of the habitats directive for failing to complete the necessary Environmental impact assessments, and later on that year the parent company's financing was impacted by French opposition to the importation of Shale (fracked) gas

The current planning application lodged by New Fortress Energy is a 10 year planning application. So much for their confidence that they can have it up and running in 2 years

They are hoping to build a 600mw plant, We'll likely have multiple GW of offshore wind turbines plus the French interconnector completed before this project would reach operational status.

Your position is completely untenable. It relies on the LNG terminal being magically able to secure the planning, funding, and the long term supply agreements they need to secure LNG supply for the terminal all within a timeframe that is completely unrealistic given the history of this project thus far

From the Irish Examiner a few months ago and there is no mention of your "3 thing that will determine what happens with Barryroe" from Ryan`s Department. A spokesperson for the Department of the Environment Climate and Communications only offered that the application for a lease undertaking for Barryroe is "under consideration".

I know Eamon has a tendency to fall asleep during discussion, but being asleep at the wheel on natural gas considerations for 10 months when his party is attempting to ban LNG is a bit of a stretch. But maybe those prospecting licenses for gold and silver were more important and they took up all his waken hours.

A bit callously offhand about Barryroe having a couple of years less supply of natural gas than Corrib, when Corrib is being rapidly depleted and our numb-nuts have banned exploration and are attempting to ban LNG. Especially after what our own energy regulator had to say about our energy security and from the U.K. today the very real possibility of a major tiff between the U.K and E.U.

From your post it would be easy to assume you believe we do not need natural gas in any form for transition and favour us building our own nuclear plants, as that is the only other recognised transitional energy source.

I believe if you talk to anyone outside of the leafy Dublin suburbs you will find they believe there are much better ways for this government to spend taxpayers money than on the promotion of E.V.s. They will be a long long way down a line headed by the cost of living, housing shortage, health waiting lists, rental property charges etc.

We are not Norway, one of the worlds wealthiest countries ironically due to their large deposits of oil and gas

Meanwhile coal in china is gaining investment, im sure one cancells out the other in the green world

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/22/china-coal-climate-change-xi-energy/

You're so full of your own "facts" you again fail utterly to see the real picture.

The link provided was the source EU LNG meeting which has become a blueprint for EU LNG gas storage

Here's an update from the 11 May 2022 to counter the nonsense you're spouting lol

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2022/05/11/member-states-agree-on-negotiating-mandate-for-gas-storage-proposal/

The Council today reached a mandate for negotiations with the European Parliament on a proposal on gas storage. In order to improve EU security of supply in the current geopolitical context, the proposal aims to ensure that gas storage capacities in the EU are filled before the next winter season and can be shared between member states in a spirit of solidarity. The mandate was agreed by the representatives of the member states in Coreper.

The only reason the Shannon LNG terminal has been held up is because of various idiotic objections by various green factions including those objecting to the development and the original planning application. So whilst the greens may not have been in "government" throughout the last two decades - green vested interests continue to do their damnest to fcuk the country over. And a 10 year planning application for projects of that type of development are the norm, but bear no relation to the time required for completion. But do continue to grasp at straws. It remains *You're* talking absolute nonsense btw.

As for this lack of logic

"Your position is completely untenable. It relies on the LNG terminal being magically able to secure the planning, funding, and the long term supply agreements they need to secure LNG supply for the terminal all within a timeframe that is completely unrealistic given the history of this project thus far"

Its not "my position". LNG storage infrastructure is currently EU working policy. And you don't need to worry your little old head about the Shannon LNG company's funding or anything else. That has nothing to do with any government funding. The current situation with regard to the planning application looks like it will be a shoe in considering current EU policy with Varadkar stating the government will not object to the project when planning permission is granted.

The company has already confirmed a two year window from planning permission agreement to completion of the terminal. Go look it up if you can be bothered listening to what others are blue in the face telling you about the reality of the current energy situation.