LIV Golf Invitational League...... NO Political/Ethical conflict posts, see Post#2

boccy23 · 16-05-2022 1:27pm

I have always had this question whether Professionals are happier with TPC Craig Ranch or a Harbour Town or similarly more difficult layout, but obviously not a US Open set up, on a weekly basis.

Mantis Toboggan · 16-05-2022 6:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119070733#Comment_119070733

I'd imagine most are happy when making birdies, generally this way the week before a major and it serves as a big boost of confidence going into the PGA.

SeeMoreBut · 18-05-2022 8:50am

Bland says he is playing and what happens afterwards so be it. He's 50 so understandable he wants to earn as much as possible as his days will be numbers soon.

I see €80 a single day ground pass. I guess the prize fund has to be funded

PARlance · 18-05-2022 11:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119079364#Comment_119079364

Really does seem to be shaping up to be more of a competitor to the PGA Seniors Tour than the regular PGA Tour.

If that is the case, they're won't be much longevity in it imo. These kind of things need a big launch or they tend to fall by the wayside in terms of attention.

Can't see many people getting excited by seeing Westwood and Bland battling it out.

I would have thought that it would need 10-15 of the world's top 50 or so golfers to really get off the mark.

thefallingman · 18-05-2022 11:18am

i see Mcilroy has now changed his tune, it was dead in the water and it couldnt start without him or other players he was saying and yesterday he did a complete turnaround saying his stance had "softened" , typical from him it's all just waffle.

It's going to happen there is too much money involved i mean Jack Nicklaus said he was offered a 100 mill to be the face of the tour

SeeMoreBut · 18-05-2022 11:27am

PGA tour has a min of 15 events to retain card but maybe a few more. So after that a lot of the top players will play a couple of times in Europe and maybe another one or two wheelbarrow events in Asia.

After that not many events spare weeks they play for top pro's.

Rory said he also likes not been told when he has to play also. Will Norman allow them to turn up when it suits or does he want them in for 75% of them. I guess everyone will have to soften their stance to make it work.

benny79 · 19-05-2022 10:31am

I think its the greed in these players that everyone is pee'd of with! They are already multi millionaires! So all morals are out the window for more! so how much is enough?

Of course all of us would jump at it but we aren't millionaires so like apples & oranges! Me personally I hope it fails.

dublin49 · 19-05-2022 10:39am

I think Normans flippant dismissal of the horrendous planned murder of journalist Mr Khashoggi was jaw dropping ,I presume he was prepped for that question,I can see how he gets on with Trump.

benny79 · 19-05-2022 10:42am

Yeah I used to love him but the greed in the man is next level! The shark alright for money! If I had 1 or 2 million Id be the happiest man in the world not having to work, golf when I want and a little holiday home in Florida where I'd spend half my time.. awh bliss...

IAmTitleist · 19-05-2022 10:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119084520#Comment_119084520

You've got probably about 25-50 players at the very top of the game who are multi millionaires. 99% of professional golfers probably aren't even millionaires never mind multi milliionaires.

Not every player on tour is Rory, Tiger or DJ.

thefallingman · 19-05-2022 11:00am

it's going to happen there is saudi money everywhere, and money talks and the players will follow the money 100%, maybe not straight away but they will eventually, the pga tour would want to be careful trying to play bully boy with the players, things change and things evolve i just hope everyone can still play in the majors when the dust settles

dublin49 · 19-05-2022 11:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119084622#Comment_119084622

Agree its only a very small percentage of overall pro ranks that are truly rich ,the thing is Norman and Mickelson are very much at the top of that group so should really be more picky about who they work for.

SeeMoreBut · 19-05-2022 12:38pm

A pro who retain his PGA tour card is living a comfortable life. European tour they wouldn't have money issues in same boat but drop below that it wouldn't be same. Of course Norman doesn't care about them all he wants is the top players. A bit like the money given out on pga tour for social media presence. Only one way and that was main guys and the biggest one took home the cash and he only drove it once and that was off a road in 2021.

PGA, Liv etc pretend they care for all but only want the big fish

benny79 · 19-05-2022 1:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119084622#Comment_119084622

Sorry I have to disagree there's a lot more than just the likes of DJ and Rory. Paul Dunne for instance and the likes..

thefallingman · 19-05-2022 1:27pm

journey men now are millionaires Harrington has made that point before, but if you can make 5 times that and more on the liv tour you'd be mad not to go. This selective outrage about the saudis is crazy, their money is all over the world in lots of different sports. The pga will have to evolve it's rules or it could be left behind

IAmTitleist · 19-05-2022 5:11pm

Just watching the PGA here on Sky Sports and they have advertised “Visit Saudi Arabia” multiple times yet Jamie Weir (employed by Sky Sports) tried to take the moral high ground in his interview with Greg Norman last week.

Hypocritical much?!

Mantis Toboggan · 19-05-2022 5:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119086418#Comment_119086418

If you look deep enough the whole thing is hypocritical, like all these yanks harping on about human right abuses in Saudi not realizing its their country supplying all the weapons!

Trampas · 01-06-2022 4:45am

Line up announced.

DJ missing his sponsors event for it

some of the career highlights aren’t much highlights.

I don’t care either way but they’re all a bunch of cowards for letting Phil take the hit

Mantis Toboggan · 01-06-2022 5:28am

Surprised with DJ but he must have got a massive appearance fee. Must go in also as the early favorite.

PARlance · 01-06-2022 6:49am

That line up isn't going to have people tuning in en masse. 2 top 20 golfers and a fairly poor field overall. They might have to throw DJ a party before the final round.

JP McManus would have gotten a stronger league off the ground.

DuckSlice · 01-06-2022 7:08am

Love Poulter's highlights. "Former World No.5" :D :D

Its like when Wayne Mardle is on the darts for some of the above, "5 Time Semi-Finalist" they put up for him.

PARlance · 01-06-2022 7:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142786#Comment_119142786

There are a few Richie's in there

The Big Easy · 01-06-2022 7:41am

Fair play to DJ, really doesn't give a F what anyone thinks of him. It's mostly PR and potential consequences stopping other guys playing for double the money against a weaker field.

It's a stronger field than it was looking for a while. DJ is a bug enough name to test the PGA Tour's resolve and the fallout, if not the tournament, should be interesting at least.

The tour have holidayed DJ before so maybe that factored slightly into his thinking. DJ is also oblivious/thicks-kinned/ignorant/composed (choose the most appropriate) enough to rock up to Brookline saying what's the big deal!

Innish_Rebel · 01-06-2022 7:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142674#Comment_119142674

Talk of $150Million...

thefallingman · 01-06-2022 7:52am

i'm looking forward to it fk the pga why should they control everything. Phil should just come back now and play hiding away is pointless he should have defended his major

FixdePitchmark · 01-06-2022 8:00am

DJ is disappointing, but as outlined by The Big easy , a great pick as he is impervious to any issues ...for example, he said the best thing about The Masters is the sandwiches.

Nothing surprising about golf now, it lost its soul a long long time ago...It is the ultimate sport of capitalism and right wing politics. This is the natural end point.

A bit rich anyone in golf coming out against anything , when it has been linked to Trump and Dubai for years , the European tour are the ones that opened this door and basically sold European golf to another continent and ethos.

The amount of money that DJ got for this must be extraordinary....

Rikand · 01-06-2022 8:04am

Youdoget the impression that DJ just isn't all that into golf anymore. This is exactly the thing he's looking for. Handful of tournaments a year. Dumptrucks full of money. Win-win

Xander10 · 01-06-2022 8:05am

Who is going to televise it?

Is that DJ done from playing the PGA tour?

slave1 · 01-06-2022 8:06am

Anyone thinking Middle East or Chinese money is not already littered into current sporting purses need to wise up.

Re Norman, he has always had an issue with the PGA setup, old boys club etc, his last attempt of a breakaway directly led to the WGC rota.

I think this is a case of sit back and see what happens, if someone wants to golf X, Y or Z they should not face bans, this is nothing to do with the sponsors, it's the PGA wanting to keep control

brick tamland · 01-06-2022 8:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142924#Comment_119142924

Its on Youtube I think

FixdePitchmark · 01-06-2022 8:11am

Delighted to be rid of Sergio...did PGA and European Tour pay them for that...

Frisbee · 01-06-2022 8:11am

It's not the strongest field but DJ is a massive coup for them. Also once people see guys like Gooch or Wiesberger pulling in $2M+ plus cheques it will almost certainly turns heads of guys still playing on the PGA Tour. There's probably plenty of them happy to miss the first few events to see what the fallout is. If the Tour ban someone and it gets legally challenged and overturned we will see loads more names jumping in to play a few tournaments a year in LIV and have a lighter schedule.

4* Majors

4* LIV

Fedex Cup Playoffs

Riv

Players

Then maybe a one or two from Phoenix, Memorial, Pebble, API etc

I could see that appealing to plenty.

magic_murph · 01-06-2022 8:18am

Lee Westwood has 44 professional wins. Impressive.

DJ has little interest in the heritage of golf - I just don't think the yanks care about that as much as the European players.

More power to any of the more Snr players moving over - why wouldn't they make as much as possible for the few years that have left. Its costs a lot of money to live the high life.

The current field isn't that impressive and wouldn't have me running to watch it.

Is there anything different to the propose format or just a straight forward stroke play event.

Would be interesting to have a competition over 1-2 days rather than 4. Would encourage more attacking golf but would also give a better chance to the lower ranked players.

Russman · 01-06-2022 8:20am

With Sergio, Westwood, Kaymer, McDowell & Poulter involved, someone from Boards.ie might get the next European Ryder Cup captaincy due to come up.....😀

Guess the RC doesn't really mean all that much........follow the money.

Pussyhands · 01-06-2022 8:24am

What happened with Phil? Was he the first out to say he was joining it and got a lot of heat and now kinda disappeared?

I don't know what to make of it. It's all about the money, but so is the PGA.

We're all out for the money. China, Russia, Saudis always win in the end because money.

And I don't get comments like "how much money do they actually want?"...people always want more no matter how much they have.

Xander10 · 01-06-2022 8:28am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142981#Comment_119142981

I think they are 54 hole tournaments.

Might suit Rory🤣

Mantis Toboggan · 01-06-2022 8:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142882#Comment_119142882

Jaysus, wonder will the caddy get 10%!

thefallingman · 01-06-2022 8:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119143013#Comment_119143013

After he said "it's dead in the water" with his usual speak before you think, it'll be another embarrassing climb down for him when he eventually plays in them, he's already backtracked to try and save face saying his stance has softened, it's all about money that's the way of the world and the old boys club in the pga tour will have to evolve

gman127 · 01-06-2022 8:49am

Biggest surprise has to be no Kuchar on the list 😋

Mantis Toboggan · 01-06-2022 8:50am

Where's big Phil?

SeeMoreBut · 01-06-2022 8:51am

Brooks finally got rid of Chase getting invites of his name. His highlight is great 6 top 10's

PARlance · 01-06-2022 8:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119143069#Comment_119143069

I don't often defend Rory but he actually said that his stance had softened in relation to Phil, rather than LIV... And that was tied in with the fact that Phil wasn't (allowed) defending his Major. Now it's probably an indirect softening towards the LIV as well, but he was talking about his previous reaction to Phil's comments.

He also "backtracked" and said that LIV clearly wasn't dead in the water... Which it clearly isn't.

Rather than it being a stick to beat him with, he was just giving honest responses. As he does more often than not. Maybe too often.

Innish_Rebel · 01-06-2022 8:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142888#Comment_119142888

There are 6 places to be confirmed so possible that Phil will be one of the 6???

Hard to look forward to an event with that level of field... but "free to air" on youtube. They offered it to all comers for free but no tv network took it up as far as I know

amlinopta · 01-06-2022 8:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119143110#Comment_119143110

He is expected to be added as one of the last six players. 42 named so far out of a field of 48.

Augme · 01-06-2022 8:58am

I find it surprising people giving out about the ayers being greedy etc etc. St the end of the day a tournament like this is only going to be a success if Joe Public watch it. The reality is most people giving out about the greed are going tonend up watching it. Especially if all the big names start attending.

DuckSlice · 01-06-2022 9:01am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119143146#Comment_119143146

Yea 6 places left, 5 of them are for Qualifiers from the Asian tour and 1 "Wildcard" who is expected to be Phil.

Xander10 · 01-06-2022 9:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119143121#Comment_119143121

I agree it was taken out of context by the media.

But Phil wasn't banned from defending his Major.

magic_murph · 01-06-2022 9:14am

I am sure the majority of people spoofing on about greed have no issue with wages paid to the princesses in the premiership or other leagues.

Who here wouldn't leave their job for x2 or x3 times salary somewhere else

Avon8 · 01-06-2022 9:22am

If you read any of the twitter replies to US based journalists talking about DJ moving across, the replies are either:

-"How dare he disrespect the Tour that made him"

-"Why would he want to move there when the standard will be so bad"

"Good on him, he deserves to be paid"

The concept of sportswashing or this being ethically wrong hasn't seemed to cross the minds of American fans whatsoever. I suppose when your governments have been so intertwined with the Saudi's for decades it makes a difference. There's very little deterrent for DJ, who probably doesn't care much what the public think of him in any case

blue note · 01-06-2022 9:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119143213#Comment_119143213

Ah, that's not complete nonsense, but it's not the same either. Maybe you're salaries are very different to mine, but doubling or tripling it would mean I could pay off my mortgage much faster, do things with the house, have a healthy pension, go on a fancy holiday etc. It would still be ethically questionable, but not as bad. It would basically go towards making me more financially secure.

The lads we're giving out about on this tour are already free of money worries for life. They're worth millions already. They could retire and play golf for the rest of their lives if they want. We can try to rephrase it whatever way we want, but it is greed. There's other questionable things people do for money too - investing in sectors that cause harm to society. Like smoking, gambling, oil, etc. But that's just getting into whataboutery. Essentially the Saudi's here are paying you to make them look better. Your role in this is to make them seem more acceptable by giving them sports to think about when they think of Saudi Arabia, instead of their treatment of women, gays, journalists, etc. That's what the pros have to weigh up when being offered the money.

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