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    #1112
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,106 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119069623#Comment_119069623

    They increased their prices last week. You should be on based on the current prices on their site.

    But there’s no guarantee unfortunately. They have been known to cancel orders if buyers did not accept the newer prices.



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    #1113
    Mike2006
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Mike2006


    Just by way of update:

    Dealer came back with a price for the spec that I wanted which was €76.5k BUT that is the price for the car landed today. They won't guarantee that price for a Q2 2023 delivery date. Said that BMW will likely increase again and that this will be added on... Unbelievable really... If I buy a sofa or even a house from a set of plans I pay the price that I order it at, not the new price when it arrives/is built... A sign of the times I suppose.

    So, it looks like I am buying a Tesla Model 3 Performance. Same price, €250 deposit and the price is the price listed today...

    Mike



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    #1114
    Fitz II
    Registered Users Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083674#Comment_119083674

    Buy the car you actually want. Personally having owned a M3P I would consider the BMW a superior car albeit less fast but a lot more special. Tesla run a direct sales model but BMW dont so I dont really see the issue with the dealer charging for the car at the price it will cost them in the future.


    Yllw......any update on the issue with the car???



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    #1115
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 65,321 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Q2 2023 (maybe) is very far away. Personally I would have no interest ordering a car that far ahead and not even knowing if you will get it on time or at all or for what price. Unless it is just a small deposit you are putting down and there is no further commitment from your side made.



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    #1116
    sk8board
    Registered Users Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭sk8board


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119084573#Comment_119084573

    Ditto, It’s impossible to order any of these cars at the mo. V happy to just wait it out and see.

    supply and demand will equalise at some point - not knowing that ‘point’ is what makes me just avoid it all for the time being.



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    #1117
    Mike2006
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Mike2006


    I am in agreement guys. Model 3 test drive organised for next weekend in Cork and I will pull the trigger if I like it as the cost and delivery are clear today...

    Dealers will drop to the lowest standard that people will accept (any why wouldn't they - they are a business) and there are obviously enough customers accepting the current standard to fulfil their book requirements...


    Mike



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    #1118
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,106 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119085405#Comment_119085405

    Hopefully you get a MIC M3P to test.

    I have a Fremont built M3P and while there's no panel gaps, no bit have fallen off and it hasn't broken down, the MIC build quality is superior.

    Will it match the BMW build quality, no. But it will be a faster, more modern and more spacious car.



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    #1119
    sk8board
    Registered Users Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭sk8board


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119085543#Comment_119085543

    I will say one thing, as a user of both cars - the 4GC has faaaar more usable boot space - as we discovered yesterday when I went to the airport to collect a couple with 4 v large suitcases, a large travel golf bag, 2 carry on cases, handbags, laptop bags et all (immigrating). We never considered taking the m3 for a moment.

    the coupe shape is deceptively spacious with the large hatchback boot opening.



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    #1120
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 65,321 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    In terms of space, hatchback always wins.



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    #1121
    PaulJoseph22
    Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭PaulJoseph22


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119086040#Comment_119086040

    The i4 is a totally superior car, I am hoping to have one of these in 2023. Stunning car.



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    #1122
    TitianGerm
    Registered Users Posts: 28,038 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119086500#Comment_119086500

    Why would you want a BMW EV when you've complained so much about a Tesla EV not being suitable when the Tesla has access to far more chargers?



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    #1123
    PaulJoseph22
    Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭PaulJoseph22


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119086574#Comment_119086574

    as stated in another thread, weekend car, we now have company vans…. I can use my home charger and will exchange BMW 330e for i4.



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    #1124
    rocky
    Registered Users Posts: 2,961 ✭✭✭rocky


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119086500#Comment_119086500

    Inferior in range, charging speed, charging network, weight, energy consumption, price, features, performance



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    #1125
    UhOh
    Registered Users Posts: 716 ✭✭✭UhOh


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083828#Comment_119083828

    Fraction quicker 0-60, BMW quicker on a rolling start. Real world usage you’re never going to notice the difference between the two. Both quite frankly are nearly too fast for public roads. Hop from one to the other & you’re not going to be able tell which is faster.



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    #1126
    MightyMunster
    Registered Users Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    80k for the M50 and doesn't include basic enough things like lumbar support, heated steering wheel, auto dimming headlights or lane keep assist. And the price could be thousands more by next year. Mad money



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    #1127
    UhOh
    Registered Users Posts: 716 ✭✭✭UhOh


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119086618#Comment_119086618

    Lol, yes because we all need whoopie cushion functionality & use of a UI to open the glove box. Charging network is a mute point in this country, what have we got 6 Tesla stations? Nearest one to me is 80 miles away. Build quality in Tesla is not the same level, hence the price difference. Performance again, Tesla quicker to 60, BMW quicker everywhere else.



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    #1128
    PaulJoseph22
    Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭PaulJoseph22


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119086665#Comment_119086665

    Yes, yes and yes.

    BMW = premium drivers car.



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    #1129
    MightyMunster
    Registered Users Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119086675#Comment_119086675

    The price of 76k above would be the slower (5.6s) one wouldn't it, more like the old SR+ that was 48k, as opposed to the M50 which is 80k+

    Why would you want a charger near you (assuming have home charging). You want them 200km+ away from your house. Tesla have more HPCs than everyone else put together in Ireland.

    BMW is 10-15k more expensive so you'd expect it to be substantially better



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    #1130
    rocky
    Registered Users Posts: 2,961 ✭✭✭rocky


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119086665#Comment_119086665

    Autopilot much better, dashcam, sentry mode... Does bmw still only give you live pictures from the app, that is, if bandwidth not exceeded?

    YouTube, Netflix etc, OTA updates



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    #1131
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,106 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo



    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119086040#Comment_119086040

    HB would always win for luggage capacity I suppose. My comment on spacious was in relation to the interior cabin space for passengers. This is where the bmw is let down due to cheap design constraints of using the same assembly line as the ICE car.

    I dropped my parents to the airport in the M3 on Saturday. You wana see the looks I got when I popped the bonnet and took out the carry on cases and their back packs 🤣🤣



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    #1132
    rocky
    Registered Users Posts: 2,961 ✭✭✭rocky


    Tesla is only option for long distance road trips, e. g. in Europe



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    #1133
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,106 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119086675#Comment_119086675

    Don’t be fooled by the bmw advertisements. It’s not a premium car unfortunately anymore.

    It’s no more premium than a Hyundai i5, Skoda, VW or Audi.

    The only BMW drivers cars are ICE variants currently from the M division. This i4 EV is not a drivers car yet. Notice I said yet.

    If bmw made an effort and made a proper attempt at this, it could be great!



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    #1134
    PaulJoseph22
    Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭PaulJoseph22


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119086763#Comment_119086763

    My dad had a VW Beetle, It was a seventies reg. I remember him taking luggage and golf clubs out of the front bonnet.



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    #1135
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,106 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119086799#Comment_119086799

    I cannot relate to that unfortunately as I wasn’t born!

    In these modern EV times it’s quite different. Especially when kids see you loading bags into it!



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    #1136
    PaulJoseph22
    Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭PaulJoseph22


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119086815#Comment_119086815

    Sorry, my bad as I phrased it poorly, fixed it above, It was a1970’s beetle, this was in the 00’s


    He collects classic cars.



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    #1137
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,106 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119086825#Comment_119086825

    Agh right, you said your dad had one in the 70’s.

    Wouldn’t see any of them around Dublin nowadays unless at coffee and cars or a similar vintage meet up.

    So the general public wouldn’t see much of a front bonnet opening to be loaded.



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    #1138
    yllw.ldbttr
    Registered Users Posts: 1,626 ✭✭✭yllw.ldbttr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119083828#Comment_119083828

    Sme unit landed with dealer and will be installed on Monday I'm told.

    Also a gasket (?) needs to be replaced and then the dealer wants his mechanic to road test for a few days.


    They had given me a POS 3 series but today dropped out a nice high spec 5 so I'll suck up the wait time.

    Car should be ready for next Friday (one more week) but by then I'll be in Monaco enjoying the GP for the weekend so will hopefully pick it up when I get back.


    Fingers crossed then I don't experience any more issues. Will post more detail when I have the car back.



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    #1139
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,106 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119087857#Comment_119087857

    Fingers crossed for you!

    Enjoy the GP!



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    #1140
    sk8board
    Registered Users Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭sk8board


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119086763#Comment_119086763


    It’s a bit of a novelty/party trick/nice-to-show-people-once kind of thing though. We never ever use it, i can only imagine using it if the boot was full or somehow inaccessible in a tight parking space.

    putting my groceries into the bonnet of a 911 years ago was far more of a novelty!


    edit: boards is nigh on unusable on iPhone again, jumping around all over the screen - seems to be a bug with all the ad’s

    edit: this is totally subjective, but I really think ‘EV acceleration party trick’ is already starting to wear thin with me. I hardly ever have new people in the car to demo it to and hardly ever go 100% myself, moving away from the lights or whatever, especially with family in the car - they aren’t fans of me jabbing the pedal anymore - that joke has wore very thin with them 😂

    this must be what maturing means



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    #1141
    Fitz II
    Registered Users Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119090495#Comment_119090495

    See the last bit of your posts there, thats what the Tesla headcases dont get. Its wears thin for us all. In all the performance cars I have had I so rarely launched them or dragged them. You get used to the speed quick to the point I actually bought a Draggy to check my tesla as I though it had lost power....it had not. Straight line acceleration grows old, is uncomfortable, pointless after a certain amount and requires no skill.

    What never grows old is cornering at speed or shooting out of corners and braking hard, and thats what really terrifies passengers if you want to do that. Thats where the classic handling, suspension and chassis stuff that the old manufacturers shines, and thats the bit that the Tesla fanbois dont get (and something that Tesla's lack severely)....there is more to a car than speed, tech and interior space, thats what makes an appliance good. What makes a car good is the feeling of driving, the pride of ownership and the ability to make every trip an occasion to enjoy.



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